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My First Peace Dollar!

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 Posted 05/12/2014  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Matteproof to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A polished coin is a cleaned coin.
If the LCS told you that an AU details, polished 1926-S peace can sell for $85, I wouldn't trust that dealer too much.
You should have offered it for $50 -- going over $30 for a polished Peace dollar, unless it's a key date, is very rare.

You can buy common date, non-cleaned MS peaces for about $50. Higher MS grades can fetch a pretty penny, but not all MS coins.
I can see how you can say that peaces are rarer than morgans, as the Peace dollars lasted for a shorter time.
IMO peaces are really "grade rarities," with some dates fetching big bucks for higher MS grade pieces.
But, even the key dates in the peace series could be aquired for only a couple hundred dollars in lower circulated grades, like the 1928 peace;
however, the 1893-S Morgan dollar, the key date of the morgans, fetch at least $1000, even for coins in the bottom of the sheldon scale.
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 Posted 05/12/2014  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scottk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think I've seen any Peace dollar, polished or not, go for less than about $30 - on ebay at least. Even 1923 poor condition are $30 or more.

This is a 26 s. Not a key date, but not as common as '23.
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 Posted 05/12/2014  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scottk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a 1926 s that looks polished.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201086447783?nav=SEARCH
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 Posted 05/12/2014  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cruisinfusion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see no cartwheel luster and is not frosty like the other shiny coin you posted. I wouldn't pay $30 for it, I don't want any shined coins
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 Posted 05/12/2014  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scottk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's at 34 if you include shipping. And there's an hour left to bid.
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 Posted 05/12/2014  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does look polished I will say AU details.
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 Posted 05/12/2014  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scottk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.ebay.com/itm/23122118505...TCHING_ENDED

Here's another one. Obviously polished that sold for $60.

I think I could easily make a profit off my coin.

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 Posted 05/12/2014  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasingtailbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS details polished.

It's obvious you're on the defensive here because you made a mistake and are attempting to justify that mistake... confirmation bias, per se... You're only looking for stuff that confirms this wasn't a bad deal and ignoring evidence that suggests that it was a bad deal. If you're worried about overpaying for coins, then learn to grade, detect cleanings and other issues, and stick to buying problem-free unless the price is ridiculously low. Otherwise, it's your money, do what you want with it. As long as you're happy, who cares what we think?

PS; I sell lower grade MS Peace dollars for $35 ea. $50 for a BU is ridiculous if it isn't slabbed.
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05/12/2014 2:18 pm
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 Posted 05/12/2014  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scottk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah. I've been on this site for three days. Been coin collecting for 3 months, but I can see with my own eyes that these coins sell for more that what you guys are saying.

Low balling the first old coin I've ever bought is a bit of a jerk move though.

I doubt if most people bidding on auctions on ebay are looking for old dirty coins as opposed to shiny ones. They may not be long time collectors, but rather people buying something because it's pretty and shiny.

And if this coin is only worth 20-25 dollars, why did my lcs tell me different? Why do coins in this condition regularly sell for $35, $45, or even $60 on auction sites? I've noticed from reading other posts in the forum that most of the members are overly critical of coins, and tend to grade them at least one or two grades below what they actually are.

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 Posted 05/12/2014  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tpmjr2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't be so quick to go against people on this forum. I have been here for a year or so now and have come to learn that these guys really do know what they are talking about and many of them really are experts in their respective areas. They have no reason to low ball any coin here, what good would it do them.

They are trying to educate you on what to look for in a coin. True, you might be able to sell this coin for more than the $25 mentioned, but it would be to another person uneducated on coin polishing and cleaning. If you do choose to disagree with the members here, feel free to send your coin to TPG to get a final decision on grade, cleaned or polished, and, ultimately, value. I would suggest ANACS as they are the cheapest so you won't waste as much money for them to tell you what the members have already tried to.
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 Posted 05/12/2014  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NathanASE to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with the majority here (before reading the responses), it definitely appears to be AU details, polished. But I would like to see some better pics just to be sure, preferably head on shots with good lighting... Though your pics aren't horrible and it definitely appears cleaned.

Nobody is trying to be a jerk, nor "undergrade" your coin... It is what it is. People are saying this to try to educate you as to what to look for so you don't overpay in the future. We've all made mistakes so I wouldn't take it personally, use it as a learning experience...


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Peace dollars are rarer than morgans. Finding one with luster that isn't cleaned or polished for less than several hundred dollars is, from what I understand, increasingly rare.


Unfortunately that statement isn't true in the very least, not even close. I'm curious as to where you heard this? ... It's Very easy to find MS Peace dollars, uncleaned and with booming luster for quite cheap, especially when compared to Morgans. You don't see them as "often" or in the quantity you see Morgans, but not because they're "more rare", but rather because they don't have "the following" that Morgans do as they are are arguably the most collected coin on the planet.

But again, you can pick up Peace dollars (aside of the keys/semi keys), uncleaned and in low/low mid MS for $35-$50 all day. Some people sometimes will pay more on sites such as ebay etc for a "shiny" coin... But those are either auctions with horrible pics and the coin will end up being returned after the buyer sees it in hand, or just someone who doesn't know what to look for and grossly overpays.

And sure... Peace dollars do sell for more at times. The price all depends on the grade and wether or not it's been cleaned, artificially toned, damaged etc, or is in an unaltered condition.

Again, you probably see some 26-S's selling in the hundreds of dollars.... Such as the one you posted the link too... But it's not only MS opposed to AU, but also it hasn't been harshly cleaned.. Unfortunately unless you sold this to someone who's really not into coins and has no idea what they're looking at, not to sound rude but you'll have a hard time making your money back if you try to sell it. If the LCS offered said this coin was worth $85 then I agree 100% with Matteproof... Steer clear of them. If they offered you even $50 for this coin I'd jump all over that in a heartbeat. And honestly if that's truly what they said they may not be the best shop to do business with. You may get $35 on ebay for this one... But I don't see much over that unless it's a completely uneducated buyer... Make sure you have good pics though or you may be looking at a refund.

But again, as mentioned, if this is for your collection, and you like it then who cares... Chalk it up as a lesson learned and move on... It's really not a big deal, like I said we've all made mistakes when we were starting out
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 Posted 05/12/2014  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasingtailbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Yeah. I've been on this site for three days. Been coin collecting for 3 months, but I can see with my own eyes that these coins sell for more that what you guys are saying.

Only to other uninformed individuals that will later regret their purchases. Remember, you can't see if people are keeping the coins they buy on ebay... there are a lot of things moving behind the scene with returns, cases against sellers, etc.


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Low balling the first old coin I've ever bought is a bit of a jerk move though.

Just telling it like it is. If you have any issues with us telling you that your coin is cleaned and belongs in a junk bin, then you really should grow a thicker skin. It's just a hunk of metal, it's not like we are criticizing you.


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I doubt if most people bidding on auctions on ebay are looking for old dirty coins as opposed to shiny ones. They may not be long time collectors, but rather people buying something because it's pretty and shiny.

You'd be surprised how many legitimate dealers and collectors source their coins on ebay. I spent over 10 grand on ebay last year and this year, I'm already over 8.


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And if this coin is only worth 20-25 dollars, why did my lcs tell me different? Why do coins in this condition regularly sell for $35, $45, or even $60 on auction sites? I've noticed from reading other posts in the forum that most of the members are overly critical of coins, and tend to grade them at least one or two grades below what they actually are.


Because they're fools. Go back and ask them what they'll pay you for it. If you can make a few bucks on it, flip it and walk away. Problem coins are just that; problem coins. They have no place in nice collections and they will be a coin you will look at in a couple years and grind your teeth about. Trust me, I kept some of my mistakes and recently got rid of them for about half of what I paid... but it felt good to get rid of them because they were a constant reminder of my early screw ups.

FYI, if you think I'm undergrading any coins, I typically have a 95% success rate at guessing grades for my submissions. In other words, 1 out of every 20 coins I submit comes back at a grade other than what I was expecting. That's pretty solid, if you ask me, given that I submit a couple hundred coins a year.
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05/12/2014 4:03 pm
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Low balling the first old coin I've ever bought is a bit of a jerk move though.


I'm sorry you don't like our CCF members' honest responses to your post.

There are some VERY qualified experts here and you asked (I assume) for an honest opinion of your Peace dollar. And that's what you got.

If you're going to be a long term member of this Forum you will have to accept that an honest response is what you're going to get here.
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I believe the intent of all who have commented on this thread intend on educating you through honesty. If we all commented "nice coin" or similar, you would not gain any knowledge. I would suggest you try not to get offended, and absorb the information that is being offered as valuable information.

The reality is is a an experienced collector would not pay much for this coin because it is considered a "problem" coin. Are there buyers, such as yourself, that would buy it not knowing it is considered a "problem" coin? Sure! I have done so early in my collecting days myself. As my collecting tastes advanced, I realized my mistakes. This was before the internet. Your learning curve can be much more sharp if you will take this info to heart. I would guess everyone who commented on this thread has made a similar purchase that led to disappointment later. Good luck and stick with it. It is a gratifying hobby!
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When I started numismatics, I found what I thought was a clipped planchet Jefferson nickel in a roll.
I then asked some of my expert buddies if it was a genuine error. Nope, it turns out to be a damaged nickel.
I wanted to deny the fact that it was nothimg more than a nickel with PMD.
But there were too much evidence, clear evidence that the coin was not an error. For example, one guy pointed out that the coin doesn't have a blakesley effect. When I stopped denying and looked at the facts, I learned new things.
I think you should accept the fact that the coin is indeed polished and it is supposed to sell for less than non-cleaned coins. And that common-date peaces in your coin's condition cannot go for $85.
Very devoted experts around here. I advise you to not take them personally, but learn from the replies.
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