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New Member
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I know to have an uncleaned coin isn't the greatest, but is it totally frowned upon to own a few that are cleaned? It seems like people cleaned them without paying too much attention to what would happen to their value back then.
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Pillar of the Community
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Cleaned coins are not good, but still collected by people that can't afford an uncleaned example either because of the rare date or value in higher grades. Cleaning a coin ruins the numismatic value. If they are silver or gold they will still hold the value of the precious metal though. Most times a cleaned coin will lose 50% to 75% of the numismatic value as long as that value does not go below the precious metal value. Say you have a common date AU Morgan dollar that has been cleaned. The coin would have been worth $40 in AU condition but since it has been cleaned all of the numismatic value is thrown out of the window and now the coin is only worth it's weight in silver (around $19-$20). If it were a rare date or rare in higher grades it might not lose as much of the numismatic value, but it would definitely take a hit of at least 25% and likely a lot more to the numismatic value. It all depends on the amount/type of cleaning and the eye appeal of the coin. Sometimes a coin just gets a little wipe to clean off something which leaves some hairline scratches behind, or is over dipped in a coin cleaning solution stripping the natural luster, these types of cleaning are not as serious as coins that have been polished with silver polish which completely ruins the coin to numismatic collectors. All of the above cleaning techniques will be detected by a true numismatic collector or grader. So just don't clean coins. If you have a really rare one that you think needs to be cleaned, have it conserved by NGC. I hope this helps answer your questions. Kris
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New Member
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That helps a lot Kris, thanks.
Just considering a key date that is slightly cleaned, not polished (those look terrible) but hate the fact that it would have the words cleaned if I were to get it slabbed.
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Pillar of the Community
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Sometimes a light cleaning can be fixed by pocketing the coin for a while giving it the circulated look. This is only possible with higher grade coins that have been lightly cleaned or over dipped. I would not try it with a high dollar coin for the first try though and I have never done this myself, just heard about it on VAMworld.
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New Member
 United States
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ok, ill get it then and post pics when it arrives, it is a 1903 S.
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Pillar of the Community
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I hope you found a sleeper!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If it's a hole filler I wouldn't even care if it had a hole drilled in it, just makes it cheaper 
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New Member
 United States
36 Posts |
Ok guys, got my 1903s last night. How bad do you think it's been cleaned?  
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Pillar of the Community
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Hard to tell how much it was cleaned. It does look like someone tried to wipe away the dark patina you see around the rim, but it is a still a nice looking coin and I would say it is better looking than most of the non graded 1903-S coins I looked at on ebay. Most of them have distracting bag marks or scratches. What VAM is it? I am guessing VAM 9 because of the mm set right.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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hard to tell from the pic's, but f35 40 or so....in the end its about the deal you get for the coin...some time ago I bought an 1883-s I think....for about $80 bucks...in a slab...from pgcs....with like AU55 details..this coin, has not been polished or rubbed or with scratch marks.. its a clean coin...but under there eyes it was cleaned, so I got it at about 30% of the $204 it goes for right now...the real question should be..........HOW it has been cleaned...........and to the value if your collecting, not just HOLE FILLERS but NICE hole fillers.... Many a coin had deep toning.. so when someone dipped it.. there are "Shadows" around all of the lettering... but what it is...is that someone thought if they could make it seem shinyier, it would grade better....Some coins get over di[pped so that they show a YELLOW tint to then in the SUNLIGHT...SO BUYER BEWARE when you are under the gunshow or coin fleemarket with florecent lights.....the lightin is so poor that you can't really see the coins LUSTER which is the key of telling weather a coin has been cleaned to the point of a problem......the trujth is there is not a true 100/150 year old coin that has not tarnished...... but there are accepted, and rejected coins due to the way/ SHALL we say.. as how they have been preserved.... I guess this is the point.in the end....it should look like a nice coin.....either FULL of TRUE TONINIG.....not the microwave stuff... and it should not have been dipped to the point that the surface luster does not remain and had what is called altered surfaces........this is like a quick crash course on cleaned coins, but I hope it gives you some Idea of what "CLEANED: Means......there is also another factor for coins....."ALTERED SURFACES" you should look into, although its a strictly pin pointed market if "TONED COINS"...the idea is how to fake toning of coins left in the raw open air to give them such color's.....but that's another subject......Hope this helps you with your question and give's you some insight to the many a hundred years of real and fake....and toned coin's.....have a great day
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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BY THE WAY.....to have an original GREY coin....is no slouch.. usually in XF or below...due to the fact the coin IS THE ORIGINAL AGED LUSTER of this coin... Many know that this is not a faked coin. CHINA withstanding LOL....but they can not fake this...most like cleaned coins are from AU and above where they want to see some kind of luster even if it has wear....But if you think about it an average coin in AU.............and 100 plus years old would be like grandma's silver dining set...better polish it up guests are coming...now bright and shinny.....IT comes down to how it has been cleaned.....OR OVER CLEANED which is the case in most instances....the question SHOULD BE but not anounced...is IS IT ACCEPTABLE..? thats where the grading parties get involved to protect the billions the have graded as accepted values of any coin much like a stock market anyway I have bored you long enough....would I buy a cleaned coin? yes if it has not been over dipped or "OVETONED but other means.....its still a nice coin...a great coin and a great hole filler!! in 5 years it mayh be more!
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 United States
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Quote: How bad do you think it's been cleaned?
It's been ill-treated. That sort of toning is_not_right on a circulated coin. They just don't do that naturally. Therefore, somebody stripped the surfaces, probably no more than 5 years ago, and left the coin sitting for this result. All the same, it's a worthy addition (in my opinion) and an ideal candidate for a pocket piece. You could raise interest in Morgans among your acquaintances with this one, and if I owned it that's certainly what I'd do with it.
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New Member
 United States
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Wow, lots of great knowledge on here. Thanks everyone. So the ebay description said it was slightly cleaned then placed in a coin album, hence the toning around the outer edge and rim.
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Moderator
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Quote:So the ebay description said it was slightly cleaned then placed in a coin album, hence the toning around the outer edge and rim. I think that is a fair description from an honest and knowledgeable seller.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Could you still enjoy a rebuilt and repainted vehicle? 1967 produced HD's, Nortons, Mustangs and Camaros. Winchesters, Colts and many other things you may fancy. If you enjoy it, enjoy it. Financial advice is entirely different. Buy only MS, rare and store in a climate controlled environment. And don't drive your favorite car. Or just find your own happy balance. You'll do fine Grasshopper. Personally, I like my coins in MS condition, and vehicles in well used condition. I have friends that are quite the opposite. And store expensive cars indoors (Ferrari and Shelby Cobra) and throw their coins in a cigar box. Just one more perspective, not necessarily yours.
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