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1891 Wild IHC

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So, I bought this off of ebay for $35 RAW. The seller claimed he had acquired a lot of MS ihcs that had been stored in kraft envelopes for many years, so acquired some unusual toning. I bid on several of his coins, but this was the only one that I won...I especially needed it as an upgrade for my set. I new it was high grade and had some toning, but was amazed at how wild the toning was, and how strong the luster shows through beneath the toning. Personally I LOVE THIS COIN!! I am really tempted to replace my 7070 IHC example with this one. My pics don't do it justice, but at least gives you a feel for this beauty. I realize a top end TPG may give it a "questionable color" designation, but I feel confident it is as the seller stated....years of storage in a kraft envelope. what are your thoughts? and grade?
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 Posted 06/22/2014  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a nice looking coin.

Is that a little die crack at the top of the reverse? -- west top of shield.

I think I am lousy at grading but...I'll give it a shot and say that it's MS68. (I'm here to learn.)
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62, details, questionable color (due to a dip being improperly washed).
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MS-63. The color does not look artificially applied or the result of an un-rinsed dip, IMO. I love it!
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I assume you are kidding with the "MS68" grade. The highest grade given to an 1891 by PCGS or NGC is MS65. This coin does have a few minor hits and dings, most noticeably below the chin....so I think this alone would preclude a 65 even though none are really visible without a loupe. However, the luster is in a league of its own. I spent some time looking at 64 and 65 examples of this coin, and none I saw competes with this coin as far as flash and luster are concerned. This surprises me as I have seen many flashy lustrous IHCs....they just don't seem prevalent in this date.

Personally, I think this coin as far as surfaces go is in the 63 range. However, the extremely strong luster and the attractive toning for the date may carry it to a 63+ or a weak 64.
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Taking a second look, I change my grade to AU58 and give it about a 50% chance of grading clean.
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No idea about grade but thats right up my alley and gorgeous looking!
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Nice John!

I'm at 63RB and am inclined to believe the seller. The toning appears genuine to me at least.
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However the toning came to be it is a BEAUT !
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 Posted 06/23/2014  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add supgog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS details. I don't think this one has a shot at problem free slab.
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Very nice..

MS-64RB for me..
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I couldn't care less about what the slab says, I just know I've seen a candidate for the prettiest '91 I've ever seen.
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 Posted 06/23/2014  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS63RB
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Here are some more pics under natural light.
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 Posted 06/24/2014  12:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasingtailbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely going with AU58 after looking at those pics, and do not think it will grade problem free due to the splotchy blue toning... at PCGS, I mean.
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Really hard to tell with that toning. I will say MS details Questionable color.
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