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 Posted 08/09/2007  5:57 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add stratocaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I lately looked for a Krause catalog to buy. Here in Romania there is no bookshop to have such a book so I have to get it from abroad. Shipping taxes start at 20$, which seems to me like a little pricey since I could spend the money on coins.
Anyway, I continued to search the web for a cheaper alternative and I found out that there are certain dealers on a Romanian " ebay" called okazii.ro who offer scanned versions of the Krause catalog with jpegged pages gathered on a CD.They ask for 5$/catalog and they offer discounts.And not only the Krause, but also the Pick world banknotes and some Romanian catalogs.
What's your opinion about it? Romania, like most eastern European countries is a pirate heaven. Most of the people here don't even know they do something illegal by commercializing and using pirated software or in this case books. Anyway it was outrageous.I thought about sending an email to the Krause Publications, but then thought about starting here a topic first. Are there in your country such "digitalized" versions of The Krasuse Catalog?
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 Posted 08/09/2007  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen people trying to sell these before. I actually stumbled across zip files of them on the web, or at least they were purported to be zip files.

If you go to https://www.numismaster.com you can access up-to-date info from all of the Krause catalogs for free. (You have to register, but that is free, too). If you need pricing, then you would have to pay, but I don't worry about pricing, as some are way off, and I'd have no idea which ones or by how much. If all you want to do is look up a certain coin from a certain country, you can do it online. I do it all the time, although, it isn't quite as good as having a catalog in your lap.
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 Posted 08/09/2007  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is copyrighted material and it IS illegal to scan and sell copies of it. Use your best moral and ethical judgment to see if you want to get one of these. It's up to you
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 Posted 08/09/2007  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JRC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought about buying a copy- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...WA:IT&ih=010
ALL WORLD-WIDE COINS FROM 1400 TO 2006 & PAPER MONEY..
all in a DVD.
1- catalog world coins 1601-1700
2- catalog world coins 1701-1800
3- catalog world coins 1801 - 1900
4-catalog world coins 1901 - 2006
5)-catalog ancient world coins 1400-1980
6)-world paper money modern issues from 1960 to 2001(edit.2006)
I did not end up buying it. Too many warning flags and un-easy feelings. The person lives VERY far away, is not a registered user, didn't answer my email. It just gave me a bad feeling.
I know I made the right moral call, but I still kind of kick myself though.....
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 Posted 08/17/2007  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onejinx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Krause now has a 3 CD version of their world coin books. 1801-1900, 1901-2000 and 2001 to date, for $99
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 Posted 08/18/2007  02:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stratocaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The problem with numismaster.com is exactly the fact that it doesn't list any prices/mintage figures. And I'd rather buy a book (or CD thanks to Onejinx) than pay a monthly fee.
Thanks to all.
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 Posted 08/18/2007  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I could do without the prices, as many of them are off anyway, but good point on the mintage figures. I never noticed that they weren't there. I guess they weren't that important to me so far. LOL
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 Posted 08/18/2007  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spica to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought the latest Krause book 2008 world coins 2001-Date but I am disappointed . Many of my new coins are not referenced, if they are , no prices indicate. For certain countries references stop to 2004 (they said up to date references and prices, I say not for all). for certain country the prices are updated but for other not at all.
When I see coins from Moldova, Romania and Transnistria for $40-$50 , if you find them for this price tell me I BUY ALL THEM !
I short, I expected better.
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 Posted 08/18/2007  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JRC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spica brings up a good point. I have used the Krauses ever since they came out with them and never minded that "up to date" usually means a few years lag time.
Are there other reference catalogs that are as good or better than Krause for world coins? Not just specific countries, but all countries (or most of them) under one cover?
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 Posted 08/19/2007  02:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stratocaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
JRC and Spica you're right. I've seen a few Krauses by now and saw that newer coins are not quite correctly evaluated and some of them are missing completely. Of course this is not fair, and I'm from Romania, so I feel that it's even more unfair to underevaluate my national coinage (lol).But anyway, the Krause is the best around and I've got to get used to this idea (if I can aford one).
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 Posted 08/19/2007  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a huge undertaking to catalog all the coin types from the last few centuries in the entire world, and Krause has overall done a remarkable job. There is bound to be some weak coverage of certain areas. Send them an email and help them out if you find a mistake or missing information.

Everyone asks about Krause values as if they are meaningful; in today's fast-moving market they are not. Relative values within a series, for the most part, are still meaningful. Consider though, that the Krause catalogs have in large part helped MAKE and DRIVE a healthy market in world coins, and brought them into the mainstream. Without the catalogs, I doubt prices would have moved up so quickly.

Pirated electronic copies of works like this should be resisted. Krause deserves to be fairly compensated for the huge amount of work which goes into making these catalogs. If it is good enough to steal, it is good enough to pay for.
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 Posted 08/19/2007  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scottishmoney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is not only in Romania, but very possible to buy just about fake of everything made in Ukraine. Even stores on the Prospekt will sell fakes CD's of music and software. As the EU moves east, now Romania, the government in Bucharesti will have to take steps to eliminate so much copyright infringement.
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 Posted 08/20/2007  02:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stratocaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The problem with Romania and other eastern countries is that people don't even know that they're doing something illegal by using copyrighted materials. Every single young boy here is taught to copy CDs with games and download movies or music from the local network believing this is the natural way and having a little shock when seeing first time an original game in a shop costing about 40$. That boy would usually think WOW!I can get it from the internet for free!This is because children don't realize that they're actuelly steeling, and they grow like this, and then everybody does it.Of course the economical state of the Romanian society is contributing to this.Families with 2 or 3 children having a monthly income of less than 200$ is not unusual here.And then, there's a lack of shops and providers of original materials, which can be found in only 5 towns or so and which provide the materials at an absolutely unafordable price for the average Romanian. For example, the 2005 Krause was sold in the numismatic club from Bucharest for 260$ even though it had a price of 100$ printed on the backcover.They said that it was because of the shipping taxes.I bet that in Romania less than 5% of the materials are licensed and original. So the EU will have a hard time reducing piratery.
t360, I'm currently searching for a free source of pictures of Romanian coins (hope I already found it!) to send to Krause and of course information and everything.
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 Posted 08/20/2007  07:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muckeye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is an excellent thread.
It is a credit to the Forum, its' principles and the members involved.
regards,
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 Posted 08/20/2007  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That as well applies to many other countries whose income is just merely a few hundred dollars. After paying all the utilities bills, food, transportation, etc, it just makes it ridicious to spend a sizable proportions of money on a catalogue.
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 Posted 08/21/2007  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spica to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I return for Krause. I understand the differences between value and real market prices because moving quickly at this moment.
But I not accept many references missing for new coins, especially for a book which is made with "up-to-date " (what they say in sales point). I note many countries with stop references in 2004 . For kazakhstan they forgot half of the coins for example. I sent email to website krausebooks to announce them but I still did not have an answer.
If Krause want to pay me, I can help us to complete their up-to-date book with photos and references that I have for new coins !
My dream is to make my passion my trade
(excuse for my English I use translator and my brain and it is hard for me but very useful to perfect my English)


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