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1878 Proof Morgan

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 Posted 08/17/2014  12:53 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ant76 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Sorry for so many posts guys. Its a busy day for me and coins. I need your help again. This one is a 1878 proof morgan. Its ungraded and has some colorful toning. What I need is an accurate grade and possible value. I want to send it to TPG this week. Thanks for the help

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 Posted 08/17/2014  1:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ASEnut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will try.....it will most prob be wrong but I will try 64?
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 Posted 08/17/2014  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not so sure that this isn't a PL or DMPL business strike. There seem to be what looks like bag rub on the obverse. I suggest you go to VAMworld and figure die pair it is. Either way it seems worthy of TPGing.http://www.vamworld.com/1878-P-2012...bution_guide start on step 2 and look for 14-3 and 14-8 VAMs.
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08/17/2014 1:28 pm
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 Posted 08/17/2014  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's hard to tell how much chatter there really is on the obverse, It could make anywhere between PR62-64. can we get some better pics of the field on the obverse?
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 Posted 08/17/2014  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasingtailbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm inclined to call this a pl/dmpl business strike... the rims don't quite have the flatness or the squareness I'd like ot see in a proof coin. The VAM will tell the story, though.
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 Posted 08/17/2014  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reverse doesn't look right. I would stay away.
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 Posted 08/17/2014  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian-Banknotes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm inclined to call this a pl/dmpl business strike... the rims don't quite have the flatness or the squareness I'd like ot see in a proof coin. The VAM will tell the story, though.

Looks like a business strike, that may be PL (Would need better pictures to determine that).
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 Posted 08/17/2014  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My error, I guess you already own it. The pic of the reverse just seems a bit unusual. Anyway, I don't think this is a proof, but the TPG will be the definitive answer on it.
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 Posted 08/17/2014  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with jimbucks- the reverse appears to exhibit artificial toning. I'm inclined to think that this is a PL coin.
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 Posted 08/17/2014  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As has been mentioned previously, a true proof will have very squared off edges and as a rule shouldn't exhibit any bagmarks. Also your photos make it appeear that the fields are prooflike only on the obverse, which would also indicate a business strike. The suggestion by dave700x to see if the proof die identifiers are present is the correct way to settle the matter one way or the other.
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 Posted 08/17/2014  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ant76 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You guys are awesome. Always can count onyou. I study these *%#+€+• coins constantly. This said "proof" on the tag. I guess we shall see what the TPG says. And because I am impatient, I always have them done as fast as I can lol. I think 5 days?
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 Posted 08/17/2014  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasingtailbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How much is your dealer charging you to submit through him?
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 Posted 08/17/2014  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1893S to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a 1878 Proof to me. Very nice. Can't really help with a grade for it. The photos aren't the best. Good luck.
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I always pay about $18. He covers shipping/ insurance as he sends 100's a month. Sometimes its a few bucks more but I never really asked ir questioned it. I always buy something so he adds the cost into that. Ill ask tomorrow
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 Posted 08/22/2014  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks DMPL to me. Toning is questionable.

I don't think it is a proof.
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 Posted 08/25/2014  04:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover168 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any results from the TPG?
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