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Which one is the fake? Both might be fake. The slab/hologram/prong style suggests something that was not encapsulated by PCGS. |
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Which one is the fake? I'm thinking it's the one on the right, the larger coin. Bar codes are different, as are the serials, but the fonts and slabs look exactly the same. Are they both real? I see trout1105's coin listed in the registry at PCGS cert look up database.
Weird that the coin ID is the same, as I don't know much about Australian coins I'm curious now on this posted coin. Neither of the coins are "Fake" The 1oz coin came from a 2004 masterpieces in Silver set _20 years of the dollar coin", The smaller 25mm coin came from a 2004 RAM Fine Silver Proof set. These are coins that I submitted myself and were not purchased slabbed. The cert # on both coins is different it's just PCGS made a huge blunder attributing the 25mm coin as a 1oz coin. I have the entire set of 1988-Present 25mm Silver Proof $1 coins about 70 coins (except for the 2010 MOR coin) and I have gone to quite a lot of effort and expense to assemble this set. Here is my set registry; http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/all...spx?s=124249It is quite disappointing when this sort of thing happens . Edited by trout1105
09/23/2014 6:33 pm
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Holy Cow, trout. That's one heck of a collecting goal. I am in awe.
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Neither of the coins are "Fake" The 1oz coin came from a 2004 masterpieces in Silver set _20 years of the dollar coin", The smaller 25mm coin came from a 2004 RAM Fine Silver Proof set..... I see. So PCGS is using their new holder (2014) without the new hologram in International markets? |
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Holy Cow, trout. That's one heck of a collecting goal. I am in awe. Thanks Mate, I still have to get all my $1 al/br 25mm coins graded yet. I have a 100 coin submission in at the moment but I still have a couple of hundred or so other coins in this set to get done yet. Its a work in progress thing  |
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The coin is only a VF grade so perhaps a ding that would reduce a MS coin to details grade only causes a VF coin to drop a grade. The level of acceptable defects increase as the net grade drops. I'm sure there are experts on net grading that can better explain the specifics of what is allowable in VF coins. Still it is a big ding on an important part of the coin.
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They've slabbed 30 million items. Do you want to check error rates vs. your 5,000 posts?
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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They've slabbed 30 million items. Do you want to check error rates vs. your 5,000 posts? They have slabbed 237 of my coins so far and I have had issues with at least 30 of them. That's better than a 10% stuff up rate. It costs me $20-$30 per coin, out of the last 65 coin submission I will have to send 9 slabs back to be correctly attributed and wait the 2-3 moths for the coins to get back so YES I do expect a lot better performance from them  Edited by trout1105
10/07/2014 10:51 pm
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In ref to the 16 quarter..... I have always thought that PCGS gives certain clients huge breaks. Companies like Heritage, APMEX, MCM etc that submit huge numbers of coins for TPG'ing add tremendous revenue to the grading company's bottom line. You take care care of your best customers no matter what business you are in. Would be interesting to know who originally submitted the coin. And the part in the grading companies TOS about graders not knowing whose coins they are grading? Come on man! |
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The TPG's also tend to be more forgiving on key date coins. Bumping the grade a little over what the wear would indicate or ignoring problems. I have seen 16 d dimes as high as "Fine" that didn't have full rims. |
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Not that I'm an expert by any stretch of the imagination but for a technical grade, I don't see a 66. Now eye appeal can bring up the technical grade as much as 1, as far as I understand what I'd read about eye appeal and grading by PCGS.
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To my understanding PCGS grades by surface condition more than eye appeal
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Bedrock of the Community
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I have seen trout1105's set of 25mm proof dollars, for myself, and I can tell you, that set is mighty impressive All proof, all slabbed. You have to break the proof sets of coins that the dollars are in, to do this. I think even the RAM would be impressed! |
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