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Fake 1925 Penny From Ebay? - Please Help...

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Coin Chick's Avatar
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 Posted 09/25/2014  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whether the item is real or fake, even if you left positive feedback you can still open a case up and receive your money back. If he messed around with the photography you can just say "item not as described". ebay will more than likely side with the buyer.
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 Posted 09/25/2014  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevo1962 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would have graded XF45 if not for the scratches
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 Posted 09/25/2014  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks real to me but the scratches that were "subdued" kill the deal. Tell the a Seller you want to return it because the scratches were not in the description.
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 Posted 09/25/2014  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andycoinster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks heaps guys. I think you are spot-on - fake or real the scratches were not outlined and I should ask the buyer for a refund. It's sad when someone with seemingly good feedback sells goods that aren't up to par without disclosing the problems - hard to believe the seller would not have seen those scratches :)

Ps. Great board - I'll stick around. I've been easing into coin collecting with the 1937 and 38 Crowns. Then I thought I'd expand into the world of pennies...
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09/26/2014 07:58 am
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 Posted 09/25/2014  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Ps. Great board - I'll stick around. I've been easing into coin collecting with the 1937 and 38 Crowns. Then I thought I'd expand into the world of pennies...




Be very careful with those as well,lots of fake 1937 & 38 Crowns around with Brass as their base to get the weight near correct,each generation of Fake is getting better.
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 Posted 09/25/2014  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bellyflorin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IT's real, tho I would be asking for money back , no mention of the scratches and sly out of focus photos , HA HA the seller description as excellent is total pig's bum.
teach them a lesson and slam them with a negative feedback too
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 Posted 09/26/2014  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK it looks like a real one to me but I'm a noob to. LOL ,

Now seeing you didn't pay with PayPal you wont have any protection, You can still open a Item Not as Described case (IND) with ebay /PayPal and then you can go to your bank and do a charge back as well if he refuses to refund you.

When using ebay always use PayPal you can still use your credit card on PayPal and then your fully covered.

Good Luck.
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 Posted 09/26/2014  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andycoinster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Basil for the warning. It sad we live in a world where it pays to produce fakes. I served this seller with follow-up feedback I think he deserves for not mentioning the scratchrs. Heard nothing from him in reply to a no. of emails but I'm going to chase him down - one thing I am is tenacious!

Ps. This guy seems quite good at the rating game - might be worth taking note to make plenty of checks if interested in any future coin auctions he runs? I personally wouldn't buy from him again - then again he might be quite good.

Also, for my ebay refund request how much value do you think the scratches might take off the coin?

Here's the marketing pitch that came with the coin (my partner is Natalie):

Fake-1925-Penny-From-Ebay?---Please-Help...
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09/26/2014 08:00 am
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 Posted 09/26/2014  01:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it is genuine, shame about the scratches
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 Posted 09/26/2014  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The photos in the listing were certainly not great. Perhaps it would have been wise to request better ones before entering into a contract to purchase.

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 Posted 09/26/2014  01:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andycoinster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes The Unicorn - I was too trusting, but then I've never had a problem before buying or selling. I am honest and expect it of others - & my opinion is there was deliberate omission by the seller . My dad's a barrister so I'm well-versed on contract law - coins not so much :)

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09/26/2014 01:39 am
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 Posted 09/26/2014  01:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the reason sellers like this exist is because buyers like this exist.
I mean no ill will andy but if you spend this kind of money based on this quality of photo (and then loose out on payapl's protection because you paid directly with a credit card) then you are going to get taken advantage of time and time again.
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 Posted 09/26/2014  02:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andycoinster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You r probably right - but I relied also on feedback. That is obviously a mistake - I was not aware this could be so misleading. Perhaps some people need to be burned once to learn the lesson. I'm not going to argue with you, let's just see how it turns out - I'll keep you informed. And I appreciate the input from you guys today re the coin's authenticity.

For any who haven't read it, here's the seller's description:

You are bidding on this EXCELLENT 1925 Australian Penny. All Diamonds clear and visible. The rarest other that the 1930.Very hard to obtain and sky rocketing in value In excellent condition with diamonds clear.     Please read my excellent Feedback and bid with confidence.   The coin  depicted is the exact one you receive by tracking registered post for your security and mine. See other coin items I list from time to time.  Happy Bidding

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09/26/2014 07:37 am
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 Posted 09/26/2014  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Andy, if your Dad is a Barrister, then I'd imagine he might suggest removal of the sellers id, the image of the enclosed message and the words fake from the title and contents of this thread.

You could be leaving yourself quite exposed.
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09/26/2014 02:12 am
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 Posted 09/26/2014  02:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andycoinster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm comfortable, as long as it's not outside the forum rules.
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