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That is awesome toning!
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 Posted 10/08/2014  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vesper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Must admit that I do like the toning... Is it cleaned?

-Vesper

P.S. Sorry, but I don't have your spare grand :(
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 Posted 10/08/2014  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think it's cleaned since I don't see any hairlines.
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 Posted 10/08/2014  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add srcliff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty, why no reverse though?
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@srcliff Scroll down.
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I don't trust the toning as "original" for a moment. Not a millisecond. When evaluating Halves from this era, you have to consider the Guatemala Hoard:

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=46562

Assume Seated halves from this era are cleaned, and then look for evidence to the contrary.


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I don't think it's cleaned since I don't see any hairlines.


You won't. It almost requires luck to catch hairlines in a digital image - they completely disappear from certain lighting angles. The absence of hairlines can't be considered evidence of originality.
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It's a nice coin, but the seller is talking it up too much. I don't know much about these, but it looks circulated to me. Just looks worn a bit.
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 Posted 10/09/2014  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's new - I've never heard of that hoard before. I wonder why did someone clean a few thousand coins then bury them?

Looks like this hoard was mentioned in Walter Breen's book. I wish my library had a copy.
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The coin has soft, flow line inhibiting details.
Those are not original surfaces..harshly cleaned/retoned.
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cleaned
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Coin is ugly...
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That's new - I've never heard of that hoard before. I wonder why did someone clean a few thousand coins then bury them?


I think it happened in the other order - we're unsure who actually discovered the hoard (Breen thought it was in the mid-1950's), and my theory is the discoverer cleaned them after nearly a century underground.

That's ample time for the coin linked here to have toned to this extreme degree.
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vermontensium, what does"soft, flow line inhibiting details" mean?

Cleaning after finding it makes more sense.
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Dave and vermontosium have a load more experience than I. BUT I honestly do not see anything that indicates cleaning to me. I get what you are saying about that hoard Dave, but I really so no signs of harsh cleaning. And not sure what verkontosium is speaking of there.

Let me state I am looking at this on my phone and may be missing something.
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The very first second after I opened the link to e-bay.. I thought to myself that coin is cleaned...

To me it looks cleaned then re-toned...
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Let me state I am looking at this on my phone and may be missing something.


When you get to your computer, click through the auction pics to the larger Auctiva-hosted ones. Check the toning out in those - particularly the reverse. You'll see what scares me.
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