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 Notice what looks like a leaf almost touching the 1. Anyone ever see this before? Does it have a variety designation?
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wow, where is MM (nickelsguy) when we need him\. I am very suspicious about your coin. It might be from PRoC. where did you get it? Pleas also post the obverse side!! please compare others I have posted , comparing certified coins with yours. look especially at the 5 and the leaf you already mentioned. and other markers.  Edited by 47P7
10/25/2014 9:05 pm
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Certainly do not know why one would consider this a counterfeit, looks aok to me. Do post the obverse and a better picture of the area in question. Could be some double punching or re engraving happening?
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I don't remember where I got it. I was looking through some pics in a folder, and found this. I don't seem to have the obverse pic (I remember not considering the coin at all remarkable, except for the leaf). I see if I can setup for some better pics soon.
If it is counterfeit, it would one heck of a subtle one. A low/mid grade SD with an unknown feature? A pretty slam-dunk marker if a counterfeit.
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"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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DBM, that is NOT this coin. even though the leaf looks similar, but not the same.
Pacific, please look again and please compare it with the ones you have. If you have any.
and after you looked at yours, please let us know if they have the characteristics of that leaf and the 5 (5 is tilted to the right)
look at the 5. Pacific, or anyone else, please post images of yours. we will compare.Never seen a 5 like that on ANY 1858 5 cent! so, unless there is so far unknown die..?
I am not the one suggesting CF immediately, but here are odd markers.
the leaf is one I have never seen before, nor the 5. So, why is the leaf so close and so pointed?
maybe with both markers it is just the way the pictures were taken. I hope so. I want to be wrong.
I will check closer tomorrow am, maybe there are other markers.
I HOPE I AM WRONG. I hate forgeries. I have seen them in Hong Kong myself.
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10/25/2014 11:39 pm
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No. But it looks like the same feature.
But someone got burned. It isn't a LD (and neither is mine).
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Well, I'll be damned. It IS (and so is mine) a misaligned N in CANADA variety. I hadn't noticed that.
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I have not seen the obverse yet. how can you say misaligned N if it is not posted?
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> I have not seen the obverse yet. how can you say misaligned N if it is not posted? I looked at the ebay pic and then I looked at my coin. The variety isn't at all remarkable, I don't think. Small, small premium. Edited by dialog_gvf
10/25/2014 11:54 pm
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dialog, I think the ebay coin is quite similar to yours and that neither are counterfeit. I found it in under three minutes. If you search diligently you may find more. It may be a variety. The ebay coin looks to be the result of some kind of damage to the die perhaps. May be progressive. May be just two random events. Keep looking. Though minimilized by the collecting community, the misaligned CANADA obverse is a remarkable and significant variety. It exists in such abundance in both 1858 and 1870 that it cannot be the product of a single die.For this variety to exist means that it had its own unique master die and at least one punch.In the hierarchy of varieties it easily trumps any repunched dates, legends etc. It is IMO what should be referred to as OBV1. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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I think not remarkable was a poor choice of words on my part. I agree it is a significant variety.
I meant it didn't carry much of a value premium. The die pairing may turn out to be significant.
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Very interesting leaf. Mine here seem to have the left leaf in the traditional area. I have another 58 somewhere,...low grade and I'll have to check...    |
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Definitely different reverse dies. Slanted five in the date in the first post/pictures (leaf is close).
In the second group of four reverses, believe there are THREE more reverse dies as well.
Top left - "near date leaf" with slanted 5 in date and small number date.
Top right of the first set of 4 - Slightly smaller sizes of numbers in the date and non slanted 5 in the date. Smaller "8"'s in the date compared to 4th picture.
Bottom left - May be wear, but I call this "fat numbers" with NO/Slight curve in denomination 5. "S" in CENTS is different than the other three.
Bottom right - Large date - different/Fancy 5 in date with different 8's in date as well.
Very interesting group!
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ok, having checked a total of 15 on Heritage archives, 6 on ebay and my own (5), a total of 25 1858 5 cent coins. here is the result: slanted 5 in Date: Zero coins close leaf: Zero coins despite what you fellows said, I still maintain my suspicion until someone can show another like it or a shows a certified coin like it. what weight is the coin? |
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