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Need Help With Jefferson Nickel Variety Qdr (Pics Added)

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Hey,
While inventorying some Jefferson nickels, I came across a 1940-p with a QDR. I know that their is a 1938 and even a 1939, but I cant find information on a 1940. Does anyone know about this variety?

I haven't had a chance to take pictures yet, although I will shortly if I can image it.

Thanks,
Matt
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I'm not familiar with the abbreviation QDR.
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The doubling on this coin sure looks promising, but I'm no expert. Let's see what others have to say.

Kanga-

It's the abbreviation for "quadruple die reverse".
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Interesting. There is a '39, but the '38 is QDO.
The '39 QDO is actually the rev. of '40. Confused yet. Here's a pic of '39QDO rev. of '40. FS 802



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QDR means Quadrupole die reverse.......I am aware of the 38 QDR, as well as the 39 variations. However this coin is a 1940-P.
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I should also add, This is not the only quadrupling, Its prominent all over the reverse. I can take more pictures later...... I found another one similar to this but the actual definition of the quadrupling wasn't prominent and looked like MD or in this case MQ lol. I believe because it was a later die state. Perhaps this variety has gone undiscovered because it only occurred in the earliest of the die stage before it weakened and looked like MD.......That said, I can see raised hairlines from the die being over polished so that blows that theory out.

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Does anyone know who or where I would go to as the " go to " Jefferson nickel guy? Or should I just let NGC check it out? I suppose to Main fall show for michigan is only a couple weeks away. Some big names their could check it out I suppose.
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A 1940 QDR is not listed in PCGS or NGC and is not listed in the CherryPickers Guide 5th Edition. This may be a discovery piece.
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Yea, I didn't see it on either site, Nor was it in my 5th edition books. I didn't know if anyone had a guide specializing in Jefferson nickels that may have had this variety or not. If it is a discovery piece, Ill be sure to post when it goes up for auction:)
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Nobody has confirmed this to be a QDR or a TDR or a DDR. I think you are jumping the gun a bit. I personally see a lot of die flow lines which lead me to think this is a deteriorated die. I really don't think I see any added thickness in the devices either. I would expect to see doubling on the "O" in Monticello but there is none. Better pictures are needed to make an accurate assessment.
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Variety Vista lists 5 1940 DDR's, But I don't see a QDR listed for that year. I would like to see a closer look at the AMERICA area. It might be Die Deterioration like Jay mentioned. The doubling looks uneven on top and bottom parts of the devices. But the DDR/TDR/QDR spread can be harder to see if the image isn't close up. Maybe just a few letters at a time (3-4 per image) That might help us see what you are seeing.
http://www.varietyvista.com/Variety...938-1941.htm
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You guys may be right. It is definitely struck with a horrible die that was clearly scrubbed over and over. Here are some pics I took really quick. Ill take some better ones once I see it under a stereo and I get a better look at it, Then I will take micro shots.

What confuses me, is that if it is Die deteriorated doubling, why is some doubled, and some Quadrupled? You will notice, some is clearly MD.



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Looks like extreme die wear. Common to happen on nickels as the nickel in the copper mixture makes the die wear faster. Also some machine damage on the "O" of OF in a different direction.
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Thanks for your guys post. Yea I am not getting too excited about it but I wont give up hope until I can see it under a scope lol. I can only really see it as well as you guys can, and dont want to toss it back until I get a better view that isn't from a $50 camera. I'm afraid it looks like you guys are right tho :-/
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