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Problem With ANACS 1909-S VDB Cent -- Need Advice

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I recently bought, at an online auction, a 1909-S VDB Lincoln Cent. The coin was certified by ANACS and graded F12. The pictures were not great (it's a dark brown coin, which makes it difficult), but I trusted the certification and bought (at what I thought was a good price). I received the coin only to find that it is not a VDB coin at all (I looked carefully with magnifying glass and loupe, and even tried a microscope to look for faint impressions).

At this point, I'm looking for advice on the best way to proceed. I've left a message for ANACS but have not heard back from them. The auctioneer has not exactly been cooperative but rather has placed the blame entirely on me.

Can you offer any advice? I'm particularly interested in any similar experiences you might have had and how they turned out.
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 Posted 11/11/2014  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matttheriley to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just return it, if possible.
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What's ANACS got to do w/it? I hate stories involving super-keys like this one. Linkee?
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Hopefully you have a copy of the original add that you placed your bid on. Double check again and proceed from there. I have bid on things and after checking I realized it was not what I thought it to be. It happens because sometimes we get caught up on getting something that we don't read all of the information that is supposed to be provided so don't feel bad. If it is as you say I would definitely complain and ask for a refund. Do they have a return policy and are all sales final. Check that as well. Good Luck and I wish you the best.
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What's ANACS got to do w/it?


Well, if they authenticated a 1909-S VDB which wasn't one, they have a lot to do with it. That's the whole point of a slab.
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Is there any evidence of the slab being tampered with?
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Thanks for your thoughts. I know ANACS has a policy of paying the difference between the market value of the coin and the market value of the coin indicated by the holder. Do any of you have experience in dealing with them in a situation like that? There is no evidence that the slab has been tampered with, so I lean toward the error being theirs.

Also, I have not been able to access ANACS' certification lookup. Do you happen to know what the story is there and, hopefully, another way to access that database? I've left several messages with them, but still have not heard back.
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Frankly, I think ANACS is in a bit of trouble:

http://pjckn.com/blogs/colorado-law...-fair-ground
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If the seller has a return policy (and the reputable ones do) I would return the coin to the seller and let the seller deal with ANACS once I checked the auction specifics to verify the seller did indeed for a fact advertise it as an S-VDB
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Better Business Bureau may be your next step. Item not as advertised.

Who is the auction/auctioneer?
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I'd prefer to not name the auctioneer until I see how everything plays out. He is relatively new to the business and I want to give him an opportunity to rethink things.
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Please keep us informed.
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Is it an ANACS small white slab or the later yellow slabs? I have purchased several ANACS yellow slabs to crack out for my 7070 set and was able to separate the slabs cleanly on the seam with just my hands, so the coin may have been changed out. I think you are best returning the coin to the auction house. Do you have any links to the auction?



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Ummm, every time I have called ANACS I have spoken with someone right away. I have never had to leave a message. What time are you calling?

I have cracked my fair share of slabs, and I can say they do NOT just come apart at the seams. None of them do. They all require excessive force.

And pics? Lets see this coin.
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Return the slab REGISTERED MAIL to the auctioneer and let him deal with 1) the original consignor or 2) ANACS.

You did not receive what you paid for nor what was advertised.

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