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Valued Member
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That record already exists Zonad.
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bellmaker, I just checked and they do not seem to have anything older than 1961.
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SlurExe97, the Mint Reports are still informative in that year.
Here are the portions of what Haxby wrote that I have found can be verified.
"It was decided to continue minting 1936-dated coins using the obsolete King George V dies with the old reverses."[Haxby, J. A., Striking Impressions p. 152-154]
After King George the V died in January of 1936 and Edward VII ascended to the Throne, using the same dies was simply traditional.{source, History past}
When Edward the VII abdicated and George VI ascended to the Throne in 1936, this is the point in history that permission was needed to continue using the King George V dies.{source, 1936 Mint Report}
"At least some of the reverse dies for this coinage were marked with a small dot."[Haxby, J. A., Striking Impressions p. 152-154]
1] 25 cent, dot below date at bow opening.{source, quantities of tangible coins}
2] 10 cent, dot lower left in cluster of three leaves.{source, quantities of tangible coins}
Should someone know different and have tangible proof to back what they say, I invite those to step forward and share.
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Great timeline research----one small question---why were the 10 cent coins destroyed even if they were not issued in 1936?
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Bellmaker, I am still trying to figure out what proof you have that is contrary to Haxby's? If I understand your argument, you are saying that 1936 dot coins were minted in 1936 because that is when the mint asked for permission. Is this correct?
George VI was crowned on December 11, 1936, if they were to ask/receive permission to use the old dies, I would assume it took longer than 20 days to request permission, receive approval and mint all the coins in 1936, considering that this would have been over Christmas. It would not surprise me if they minted no dot coins until the end of the year and added the dot starting in 1937 (as they already had permission/precedent to use the old dies during the year of kings death). This would also fit with Haxby's note that some were made with a dot and some without.
The timeline for Haxby fits and I would expect that the request was made in 1936 (as noted in 1936 mint report), as they would not have new dies ready for the start of 1937. Balance of probabilities seems to be in favor of Haxby, perhaps if you have daily max production, you could calculate if it was theoretically possible to complete all of coins before New Years. What does the 1937 mint report say?
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lambecolin, The 10 cent dot coins were not destroyed and are still out there for the taking.
purelywasted, I said that I believe the 25 cent dot coin was struck in 1936 first, not 1937.
The 1937 Mint Report does not verify anything Haxby has been quoted here as writing in Striking Impressions.
Do people actually believe that Edward VII woke up one morning in December of 1936 and decided to abdicate on the spot?
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So if I understand you correctly, you have no evidence to dispute Haxby's findings and cannot provide anything to support your theory?
Honestly, I have no idea when Edward VII decided to abdicate and have nevere really thought about it. The existing narrative for the 1936 dot coins fits logically in my mind and in the absence of evidence otherwise I don't see a reason to change it.
I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish here.
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Presenting a hypothesis on the 1936 25 cent dot, is what I accomplished here.
What others believe and why they believe what they do, is their freedom of choice.
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DBM, the bar in the 1936 and other 10 and 25 cent coins, is IMO a DC. look at the images below, the DC in different stages. the one on the 30 is very faint, but there. What do you think it is?    Edited by 47P7
11/23/2014 1:30 pm
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I believe dBm was being sarcastic.
Feel free to call me Will.
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Absolutely sarcastic---Ebay has +-20 bars--all die progressive die cracks.
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"On 16 November 1936, Edward invited British Prime Minister Stanley Baldwin to Buckingham Palace and expressed his desire to marry Wallis Simpson ... The Prime Ministers of Australia, Canada and South Africa made clear their opposition to the king marrying a divorcee; their Irish counterpart expressed indifference and detachment, while the Prime Minister of New Zealand, having never heard of Simpson before, vacillated in disbelief. Faced with this opposition, Edward at first responded that there were "not many people in Australia" and their opinion did not matter. ... Edward informed Baldwin that he would abdicate if he could not marry Simpson. Baldwin then presented Edward with three choices: give up the idea of marriage; marry against his ministers' wishes; or abdicate ... Edward duly signed the instruments of abdication at Fort Belvedere on 10 December 1936." With all the back and forth between Edward VIII and various prime ministers, parliament, etc, I would guess the decision to abdicate was probably made in early December 1936. The Royal Mint was busy making Edward VIII dies for 1937, and then had to switch gears to George VI. There were already 972,094 25 cent coins minted in 1936, almost double the amounts of previous years. Anybody is free to believe what they want, but I see no reason to doubt the conventional narrative regarding the 1936 dot coins having been minted in 1937. |
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Here are the two paragraphs that come before the two I posted above: "Despite heavy coinage demands on The Royal Mint, most of the master tools required for the various 1937 coinages for both Britain and the Colonies were ready by late 1936. In all tools for more than 200 dies had been prepared. In December 1936, King Edward VIII announced his abdication. All of the artwork and technology that had gone into preparing the obverse dies throughout the year had been in vain. The Royal Mint would have to begin all over again with new sittings for portraits, new models from the portraits and new die-making tools from the models. The obverse dies portraying Edward's younger brother, King George VI, were desperately needed for the beginning of the year, but could not possibly be available for months. As in 1910..." Haxby, J. A., Striking Impressions p. 152 It is only mentioned that the Mint wants to stockpile. It's sometimes hard to tell what's fact and what's just rumour regarding the RCM, as they really like to keep hush-hush about some things. One example: it is mentioned in the appendix that the Mint denies the existence of PL coins. |
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Mint put together Uncirculated sets starting in 1958, whatever coins stuck for sets that were not used in sets, were put into circulation.
For most years prior to 1958, Dealers/Collectors put the sets together.
Proof Like [PL] is a hobby term. First used as a stand alone grade then as a entire sub-category creating a new product.
These coins are uncirculated coins and should be graded as any other uncirculated coin is, UNC or MS.
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'His relationship deteriorated with his eldest son Edward (later Edward VIII) when he failed to settle down and had affairs with married women'[source BritRoyals.com]
Quote:‘After I am dead, the boy will ruin himself in twelve months' â€" George V (about his son Edward who became Edward VIII)[source BritRoyals.com]
As we know, George V died in January of 1936 and was very much alive to make the quote.
The Royal family is a family unit first.
How many here, have delayed or know of someone who has delayed telling others within the family and/or outside the family important news?
Topics that might fit are; getting engaged, announcing the decision to marry, having cancer, work promotions, being with child, pay raise, new job, getting a job and on the list goes.
We generally tell and discuss things with those most important first and sorry to be the one to inform, but the general public is the last on the list when it comes to matters of state.
When something is officially announced, is not always the exact moment the decision was made.
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