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This one looks too "new". Mintmark doesn't look correct. Has several others, that have same appearance. Of course none are certified. What do you think? Chinese fakes? They are getting bid up.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1879-CC-MOR...em3f42352fbb
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All of his Morgan dollars look good. Compare the mint mark to these http://www.vamworld.com/1879-CC+Reverses Did you read his descriptions? He states each one will certify and offers a money back guarantee if they get a details grade.
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Looks legitimate to me as well.
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His 1890 CC has the same reverse die markers as his 1879 CC, double clash marks with slight rotation. There is only one reverse die for 1879 CC with that mint mark location and that ain't it.

Myself, I would not even consider buying a raw PL Morgan from one of the many sellers popping up on ebay with an endless supply.
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This is going to end up being putting way too big a bet down in the ebay casino. Seller appears to be U.S. based, but has a relatively low number of transactions, and only 91% of those received positive feedback.
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Ah, yes.
Have confidence ;-)
The seller has a 90.9% feedback rating.
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I've never seen that double clashed reverse on a 79CC. Buyer beware! nlp
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The seller has also only sold one coin previous, at least according to feedback, and that was a circulated Roosevelt dime.
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I believe he did use the same reverse picture for both. He rotated the 1890 CC so it's harder to compare. So, which one is the real CC? or neither?

And...what is that in the background of the 1879?...
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Just curious, how many of you besides Paul actually looked at his feedback to see what he received negative feedback for? NONE of them are coin related. I am not defending this seller. It just appears he is lazy and perhaps used some reverse photos for more than one coin.

An endless supply of Morgan dollars from sellers popping up on ebay? Do you not realize there actually IS an endless supply of Morgan dollars not yet graded by the grading services and just perhaps the people selling them do not know they should get them sent to a TPGS before selling them if they even know how to accomplish that. You are assuming that everyone knows as much as you and that is far from reality.
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perhaps used some reverse photos for more than one coin.

Don't you think that would be kind of...bad? It says "look at the photos" in the description. Pictures are usually part of the description. Using the wrong photo would be misrepresenting the coin.

I do agree however that his (or her) feedback does not reflect the quality of the coins. Maybe he is just inexperienced with selling coins.
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I do agree however that his (or her) feedback does not reflect the quality of the coins. Maybe he is just inexperienced with selling coins.
It does appear to be just that and too many people are assuming too much.
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Seller has open ended return policy to "send it out and have it graded." Looks like a no risk purchase as long as the price is right.
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Gyrene, but I think we are correct in evaluating the coins themselves. And that is what some of our assumptions are based upon. For a rare, key date like 1879 CC, you want a reputable seller who has experience and ideally higher feedback, which is not what we are seeing.
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I see nothing that scare me about the seller or the coins, aside the duplicated reverse on the CC coins. And they're different images of the same coin, not a mistaken re-use of an image.
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I do agree however that his (or her) feedback does not reflect the quality of the coins. Maybe he is just inexperienced with selling coins.



What puzzles me a bit is that for someone who hasn't up to now been selling coins on ebay, in reading the description, it appears this seller is familiar with the terminology and issues associated with collecting coins of this sort. I don't know what that implies, but it doesn't seem normal for the casual non-dealer. Of course, it's possible the seller is an advanced collector who's simply not keeping everything from a big "score". I just wonder what the whole backstory is.
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