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Lincoln Memorials 95% Copper

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Is it still worth wild to save these ? I know it still costs more than face value for the mint to make Lincoln cents. but with the price of copper down below $3.00 a pound
these days ,maybe it's not feasible to accumulate these anymore.
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 Posted 12/26/2014  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tryna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well T-Bop, do an experiment. Start with a coin shop, ask if they buy them. Then go to a pawn shop to ask if they buy them. The contact a metal recycler to see if they buy them. The answers they give you will let you know if it is worth saving them or not.
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 Posted 12/26/2014  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Connicoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just tossing the ball around and thinking on this topic. If the mint quits making the penny, they will all become collectibles, especially the copper penny dated 1982 and older. Then it will be the date and not the weight that will be worth keeping.
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12/26/2014 6:19 pm
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It's illegal to melt them at this time so nobody is likely to pay more than 1 cent each for them. Many, many people do save them for the future. Main problems are the weight and volume and waiting game until they can be melted. It's up to you.
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Connicoins: Some people find it surprising, but it is really the early zinc cents that are conditionally rare, as they do not hold up as well as the copper coins.
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12/26/2014 9:11 pm
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Copper Lincoln Memorials are 30 to 50 years old at this point. It would be like if you went back in time to 1970 and didn't save al the wheaties you found from 1920-1940. Why not save them - especially the nicer ones?
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I save all my copper LMC 1982 and prior ... someday they might be worth something.

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Well T-Bop, do an experiment. Start with a coin shop, ask if they buy them. Then go to a pawn shop to ask if they buy them. The contact a metal recycler to see if they buy them. The answers they give you will let you know if it is worth saving them or not.



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It's illegal to melt them at this time so nobody is likely to pay more than 1 cent each for them.


Apparently neither one of you has paid much attention to ebay auctions for lots of these or are aware there are forums dedicated to copper hoarding/buying/selling where they go for more than face value. A quick ebay search yielded this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-FACE-VAL...em3ceea00244

1.4 cents per...not a huge killing, but the key is dealing in volume and it shows people ARE willing to pay more than 1 cent each.

Also, look at this way...it costs you 1 cent each. If inflation happens, the metal value will likely increase and therefore you have a hedge against inflation. In a deflationary scenario where cash is king, these are still worth 1 cent each. So either way you are not losing anything. And please don't tell me you would lose interest as we all know interest rates on savings accounts are pretty much non-existent.
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Oh I've seen them sell for over 1 cent many times. The seller makes nothing unless hours of labor are free to them. Still, saving what you find in circulation can't hurt. I've heard of people with 55 gallon drums filled with them. You need a fork truck to move them. :)
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I save my copper cents mainly just for fun but it's also saving and has a chance to be worth it long term. You don't rack up money saving some here and there but it adds up over time. I've been saving my copper cents for about a year now and without heavily CRH have a 50 cal ammo can about half full now. I like Saving everything though lol. I have a jar for zincolns, nickels, dimes, and quarters and occasionally cash them in either for spending money or on other coins I want. I Say save them but my only concern is what I'm going to due with them once they become a serious hoard.
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12/27/2014 02:01 am
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I'm not sure it's worthwhile, but if your so inclined - have at it. As long as the cent remains legal tender, then no matter what the copper content, it's still worth a cent. I kind of feel it's like making an investment that you can never cash out on. On paper, you have $100 in value but only $50 face value. Another decade or two passes - still $50. Maybe the folks buying off of ebay have some insight or maybe they haven't thought it through. I don't know.

My opinion: save the high grade coppers and zincs and send the rest back into circulation.
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Apparently neither one of you has paid much attention to ebay auctions for lots of these or are aware there are forums dedicated to copper hoarding/buying/selling where they go for more than face value. A quick ebay search yielded this:


Well Coinhunter, I have paid attention to ebay. If you look through completed listings you will find at least as many go unsold as get sold. And yes people on ebay will sometimes buy lots of pre 1982, but people on ebay sometimes pay hundreds for Chinese Fakes, doesn't make them worth any more, does it?

Let's look to history. The Wheat cent was last minted in 1958. That is 56 years ago.
Today you can buy circulated wheat cents just about anywhere for 3 to 5 cents and they wholesale for about 2 cents.
Five years ago you could buy circulated wheat cents just about anywhere for 3 to 5 cents and they wholesaled for about 2 cents.
Ten years ago you could buy circulated wheat cents just about anywhere for 3 to 5 cents and they wholesaled for about 2 cents.
Fifteen years ago you could buy circulated wheat cents just about anywhere for 3 to 5 cents and they wholesaled for about 2 cents.

When scrap copper was trading at 70 cents per pound you could buy circulated wheat cents just about anywhere for 3 to 5 cents and they wholesaled for about 2 cents.

When scrap copper was trading at $4 per pound you could buy circulated wheat cents just about anywhere for 3 to 5 cents and they wholesaled for about 2 cents.

Do you see a pattern?

LMC were minted to the tune of 5 or 6 Billion per year.
So tell me as a speculator do you see an upside?
As an investor do you see sn upside?

Take a roll of say 1972 BU cents to a LCS or coin show to sell and you will be lucky to get any takers at anything above face.

This is the reality. It is not mean or bitter, it is just true.
If you like them save some, but know that when you have to start spending money on storage it is money foolishly spent.

At least when you get sick of saving them they are still legal tender.
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 Posted 12/28/2014  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter53562 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tryna...we are not talking about wheat cents. The title of the thread is clearly "Lincoln Memorials 95% copper" so bringing up Wheat cent prices is irrelevant don't you think? Instead of posting about common Wheat cent prices with fluctuations in the copper spot price, why don't you post about LMC copper cent bulk prices during the high's and low's of the copper spot price since that's the subject of this thread?

I understand some ebay auctions go unsold. If a seller is being too greedy and asking too much, then people will stay away. I gave a quick example of an auction that ended at 1.4 cents per LMC, plus shipping. So it shows there are people out there willing to pay over 1 cent each and I know this happens often on another forum I frequent. Personally, I am not willing to spend over face value, but I do save what I get from pocket change. If I get in a bind, I would have no problem selling my meager hoard. I also have no desire to do it on a large scale operation (some go all out and buy $500 sorting machines but that's not my thing).

I'm neither looking them as a speculator nor as an investor. The points I made are valid (i.e. there is really no downside to saving them). I don't think anyone was talking specifically about saving enough to have to spend money on storage but obviously that would make it not worthwhile at the current trading prices.

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I'm not sure it's worthwhile, but if your so inclined - have at it. As long as the cent remains legal tender, then no matter what the copper content, it's still worth a cent.


Simply not true. An item is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I showed an example where someone paid 1.4 cents per cent, and had to pay shipping on top of that. So obviously $50 face value is worth more than $50 since there was a willing buyer.

I actually checked with my local coin shop. Guess what? They are selling bags of 95% LMC's at a small premium. They often get these as part of a larger collection. Instead of throwing them into the bank or into the change till, they sell them as an item just the same as wheat cents and any other items you would typically find at a coin shop. I know some of the close minded people here will find this hard to believe, but they are actually selling them (i.e. customers are buying)...gasp...at more than face value. Who would have thought?
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I CRH & keep all coppers. Heck, I even throw the '82s on a scale & keep the 3.1g's. I'm 31 years old & if I still have them when I'm 50 (BIG if there) and they're still only fetching $0.01 a pop (which I bet a dollar to a donut (minimum) 53 year old 1982 pennies will be fetching at least $0.02 by 2033
) I won't be sad to have a few thousand pennies worth 2 cents. What bank do you know of that offers even 2% APR? Let alone flipping them today for +40% over "initial".
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12/28/2014 8:29 pm
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When the US discontinue pennies you'll wish you had them to roll search. In Canada they're getting scarse because the market doesn't use them anymore. I was thrilled to get $100 from my uncle today. I'll be sorting them on a rainy day! :) You don't know what you have until it's gone. Follow the talks from the lobbyists that want to get rid of pennies and when they start sounding serious for once and follow the rest of the world (Australia, Sweden, Canada) then maybe start CRH'ing heavier. By then you guys will adopt the metric system too and we'll have a huge BBQ.
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