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1906-S Liberty Head Double Eagle 20 Dollar Gold Coins ?

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 Posted 12/31/2014  08:04 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add hsiangzz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

can anyone help me authenticate this gold coin? thank you.



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 Posted 12/31/2014  08:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add loganjonathan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin you have there. Id say if definately AU quality and if I'd had to put my money on a grade I'd say its AU50
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 Posted 12/31/2014  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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can anyone help me authenticate this gold coin?


Not from an image and especially not from one that size.
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 Posted 12/31/2014  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hsiangzz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
how can you tell the difference between MS and AU ? sorry, I'm new to coins
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 Posted 12/31/2014  08:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add loganjonathan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To answer your question about how do you tell the difference its about luster and fine details. AU has a very noticable luster and all the "knobs" will be intact and you will be able to see the finer details on the obverse and reverse side.
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 Posted 12/31/2014  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Necer149 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is something that seems to be off about this coin. I can't figure out what all of those lines are on the obverse, it may have been from cleaning which would reduce the value of it.
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 Posted 12/31/2014  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add loganjonathan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didnt even notice that. In that case my grading might be a little off. Maybe MS54 is more of the grade you are looking for.
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 Posted 12/31/2014  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hsiangzz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks guys. anyone else feel free to comment on what you think about the grading and the value of it. and whether its legit. thank you
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 Posted 12/31/2014  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone who offers a firm opinion based on these images is misleading you. They are too small for a comfortable evaluation of either grade or authenticity.

Some things tend to indicate that it's authentic. It's a high-mintage coin, and unsurprising to find one in your part of the world. This is encouraging. The coin has been brushed - you can see it best in the obverse images. This means it cannot receive an "original" grade, but must be considered "cleaned" at a substantial reduction in value. This is a hint in favor of authenticity as well; why clean a counterfeit?

But none of that offers any certainty. The coin needs to be personally inspected by someone with the expertise to properly evaluate it, and that is the only way to ever be sure. It's quite possible for a counterfeit to be undetectable in the finest of photographs.

If real, the brushing has destroyed any numismatic value, leaving the coin's worth tied strictly to the price of gold. That brushing could have cost US$2000-3000 in value. Below I'll link a good site to learn grading standards for this coin, with the understanding that the brushing means the best grade it's eligible for is "Uncirculated Details." Surface originality is prized in the numismatic world.

http://www.pcgs.com/photograde/#/20Lib/Grades
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 Posted 12/31/2014  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Neo13x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure how loganjonathan is coming up with the grading but you can check out this link to compare your coin with how PCGS grades it.
http://www.pcgs.com/Photograde/#/20Lib/Grades

The lines I see make me think it has been cleaned but they could be scratches. It's hard for me to tell from the pictures.

FYI - MS = mint state and AU = about uncirculated.
A coin is MS until it shows sign of wear then it is downgraded to AU and depending on how much wear there is will determine the grade. Luster can be on AU coins and is not limited to just MS coins but the luster will be more prominent on MS coins.

Edit: SsuperDdave is a faster typer than me, but either link provided will send you to the right place.
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thanks for the information guys! I can e-mail the photos for a larger view if you guys are willing to help me.
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While the pictures are somewhat small to be authenticating from, I am having my doubts. The date doesn't look quite right. It seems quite narrow compared to a genuine coin. The coin is harshly cleaned which is sometimes done to counterfeits since it is more difficult to authenticate a coin that has been cleaned than one that hasn't. Below is a link to PCGS coinfacts that has a couple examples of genuine coins for you to compare yours to.

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/9051
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I can e-mail the photos for a larger view if you guys are willing to help me.


Absolutely. We prohibit new members from communication outside the forum for their own protection, but I can reach out to you via your registration email. I will be happy to get your larger images up here.
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OK, here are the fullsize images. In my opinion they're good enough to form some conclusions.

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I am skeptical about the authenticity. I compared your coin with the one in the link D0ubl3Eagle provided and I agree that the date doesn't look right. There are also some features that don't look the same but that all could be in the strike. I'm not an expert when it comes to these so don't take my word for it, that's just my opinion.One thing for sure is that it has been harshly cleaned.
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 Posted 12/31/2014  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike1487 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those new pictures look to confirm that it is fake, in my opinion due to the shape of the date.
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