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1921 Defective Morgan Dollar

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Please tell me your opinion on this coin. Is it rare, desirable, valuable,etc. this coin looks uncirculated!

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Not sure what that is. Can we see clearer pics of the obverse and reverse?

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It could possibly be a Grease Filled Die but a larger image of the affected area is needed to be sure.
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Welcome.

A closeup shot of the area in question would be helpful. also.

1921 Morgans are in general extremely common. My initial impression is that this one may have been Struck Through Grease, which would not add too much (if anything) to its value, or it may be damage incurred after it left the mint, in which case it would only be worth its equivalent in silver bullion.
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I was not able to get better pictures to the are, but I was told that it was a "grease filled dye" and what is unusual is that because of the large size of the coin, a defect like this is not usual and it is a pretty big area of the coin. It obliterated the top of Liberty's head and "URI" from the PLURIBUS.
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This '21 was Struck Through Grease obverse & reverse and yielded a small premium. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1921-Morgan...047675.l2557

Your example is not something you can retire from but it's sure an interesting Morgan.
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How much value does a grease filled dye usually add to any coinage, or does it vary based on what the coin is?
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Not to be pedantic, but it's "die."

Grease fills aren't for everyone. Some consider them disfiguring and won't buy. Others will, and value generally goes up as the area covered gets greater. Specific cases like missing mint marks have their appeal, as well.
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One of the biggest problems with Grease Filled Die's as well as Retained Cud and Cud coins is that they never have a full strike and the grading companies kill off the grade even when they are nice. You see this also with tilted collar strikes as well.
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from that picture it looks like PMD.

Also, as noted: it is die not dye.
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Thank you for your reply and correction! English in not my first language and I apreciate people correcting me in a respecfull way so I don't keep making the same mistakes over and over without even knowing! :-)
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You'll find your coin to be quite interesting to some. Morgans are a popular issue, and therefore have a sizable following of error fans.

Like me.
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Hey superdave, in your above reply you mentioned missing mint marks from die fills. How are such error coins distinguished from simple p mints?
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This is a perfect example of a missing mint make Morgan dollar. http://www.vamworld.com/1921-S+VAM-6B There are die markers that tie this back to the die/ die state with mint mark. I just picked up a VAM6A that has the obverse die gouge.
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I would not be surprised if there are filled-mint mark Morgans masquerading as Philly coins as we speak. We can nail down die progressions as Dave mentioned, but somebody has to get lucky to make the connection and no doubt there are undiscovered ones.

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Perfect. I have a raw 1889 "p" that is worn but looks like a cartwheel type Greaser even with its wear (f-vf grade). Funny thing is, the heaviest wear/grease area is the DO of dollar & above it I can see 2 shadow cc letters slightly showing more than the ghost or shadow look of the bottoms in the right indirect light and the serif of the right c seems to be almost at the bow ribbon and the date is far (1 is above 3&4 denticle from neck)... ANY THOUGHTS?... also, has anyone come across ANY 89cc greasers or errors before or even know of any? Thanks
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