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Pillar of the Community
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 United States
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Well, now they know. 
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Isn't refusal to accept legal tender a criminal offence ?
If so, I would suggest you tell the clerk to call the cops so that they can arrest him.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pertinax,
Actually, from what I've been told, no it is not. A store may choose what they want to accept as payment. Most places don't care as long as they're making money though.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: Isn't refusal to accept legal tender a criminal offence ?
I did inform the clerk that it was legal tender. I wish that I had known that refusing to accept was a criminal offense. If it really is...then I will remember that for the next time it happens. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Contrary to urban myth. Cash presented in whatever form, a $100 bill or cents does not HAVE to be accepted for payment. It is just LEGAL tender. A proprietor of a business can refuse any form of cash as payment. I know this because I researched into a dispute a disgruntled person had with a business owner I was friends with. The customer insisted he take payment for a $100 item in pennies...yes $100 worth of pennies and the customer angrily said that he HAD to take the coins as payment. He refused and the customer intoned he would sue him as he violated law. In consult with legal council the attorney determined the business owner has the legal right to refuse payment in any form they deem unreasonable. Is it legal tender yes, do you HAVE to take it, no
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Aww, cut the kid some slack. I worked in retail until just a couple years ago, so I know firsthand that so many people use plastic that coin and currency instruction are pretty much non-existant. And most people who work in retail positions are just doing their best to not get fired, since they are easily replaceable, so the fact that he called his supervisor comes as no surprise to me. Of course, one should reasonably expect that money is taught at home, just like telling time...at least that's how I was brought up...I asked my dad what a half dollar was, not my boss, haha! It's laughable, and definitely a sad commentary on the current state of our society, but certainly not surprising in the least.
Edited by hcmusicguy 01/07/2015 12:58 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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You don't have to accept it, true. However, such policies are supposed to be stated up front depending on the type of business, otherwise the business *can* be held liable in some circumstances.
I've only been looked at funny for dollar coins *once* and when I went over the math (of how a $1 bill costs $2 to keep in circulation the same amount of time a $1 coin does -- which is manufactured for about 20¢ -- and that the coins are recyclable where bills are pulped and thrown in landfills) they became a *lot* more accepting of them in general.
Education is key.
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Pillar of the Community
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I used a old dilapidated 1976 series $2 bill (still have another in my wallet) the other day in VA and the kid refused it at first. He couldn't see the anti-counterfeit line. The lady behind me snapped it up. I told her that it was just worth 2 bucks because of condition.  She didn't care. Actually she was kind of awe struck. 
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United States
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"Legal tender" traditionally in the United States' definition of the term means you can pay taxes to the government with it. In fact, the first "legal tender" notes issued during the Civil War specifically said you could use them to pay all taxes and duties EXCEPT for import/export duties, which had to be in specie payments.
Now, there's an interesting exception with FRNs: they are legal tender for all DEBTS, public and private. So a business would have to take legal tender as payment for a debt (in other words, an obligation from a previous contracted good or service, or a loan), but NOT for upfront payment. This creates an arguably interesting situation where McDonalds does not have to take your cents and nickels for 5 big mac that you buy before eating them, but a "sit down" restaurant WOULD have to take $50 worth of cents for a steak dinner they served you before you tendered payment.
SO: can I pay my taxes at the IRS office with 600,000 unrolled pennies? Probably. Can I pay the local Ford dealer in nickels for a $20,000 car? Nope.
Of course the real world is not so tidy.
Kevin.
Edited by KevinH 01/07/2015 1:52 pm
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 This is too funny. Way back in the olden days, I worked the cash register at a drive-in movie concession stand. I would take ANY kind of coin that came in and replace it with my own money as soon as I could. I got Morgan dollars, Canadian coins, and even a Belgium dime. Still have them all.
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United States
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This reminds me of Watters World on Bill O'Reilly. Regardless if you like O'Reilly or not it's sad to see the answers some people have for what I feel should have been learned in high school, or from watching the news once in a blue moon.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I gave a cashier 3 dollar coins and some other change last week, she looked at me and said it's 3 dollars, I said those are dollar coins and she smiled and said sweet and looked excited. End of story.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: This reminds me of Watters World on Bill O'Reilly. Regardless if you like O'Reilly or not it's sad to see the answers some people have for what I feel should have been learned in high school, or from watching the news once in a blue moon. Jay Leno used to do a similar bit. But keep in mind it is edited for entertainment and they certainly make sure to show you the worst answers only. There was a bit they did on Jon Stewart where they tried to do the opposite and it actually took them a while to find someone who didn't know the answers. Of course that may have been edited too.
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 United States
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KevinH, you saved me a lot of typing.  I will add that the Steakhouse and the IRS could (as indicated when you said probably) refuse payment, but they lose leverage in debt collection since a legitimate attempt to make payment was made.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Next time, bring in $2 notes. I absolutely LOVE spending them, it's a conversation piece every single time. They really great for restaurant tips, the servers really think they got some special!
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