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 Posted 02/04/2015  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I believe that, at least the half would come back into wider circulation, if the only other coin denominations we have circulating are the dime and the quarter. The dollar coin might see better use too, as I have said, because, I remember reading articles years ago saying, "Get rid of lower denomination coins, like the penny and the nickel, to make way for higher denomination coins, such as the half, and the dollar coin" and this was over 20 years ago or so, when I read this, when pennies and nickels were probably worth considerably more than they are worth today. The half may see even better, wider use though, if the $1 bill is still around, even if cashiers tried to use dollar coins.
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 Posted 02/10/2015  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleEagle20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We have nearly 1 billion brass dollars sitting in bags ready to go. Eliminate the cent, nickel and $1 note right away and round to tens. Keep the dime, eliminate the quarter slowly in favor of a octagonal shaped, smaller 50 cent piece. Print $2 notes until we develop a $2 coin. Be nice if Congress would actually do something constructive for once, rather than author stupid legislation like this bill.
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 Posted 02/10/2015  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NickelCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't mind if they plated it with the original composition and make the core of 'Em from steel. That makes sense, right?
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 Posted 02/11/2015  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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They do see what happened with the 1943s, right? They rust very rapidly.

The steel cent used a cruddy low grade steel and they plated the strip. That left the low grade steel exposed on the edes where the rust could start forming. Us a better steel alloy and barrel plate the planchets like they do the cents and you should be able to pretty much eliminate the problem. Canada has used barrel plated steel coins for 14 years now and they aren't having a problem with rusted coins.
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 Posted 02/11/2015  05:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add n9jig to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Canada has used barrel plated steel coins for 14 years now and they aren't having a problem with rusted coins.


Canada does a lot of things right with coins and currency that the US could emulate. Elimination of the Cent, plated steel coins and viable dollar coins and Two dollar coins (made viable by elimination of the paper equivalents) has made Canada's currency cost effective and efficient.

While I heartily disagree with Canada's metal recovery program (where they ferret out older coins for their metal content) I understand it.

If the US followed Canada's lead and eliminated the Cent and eliminated the $1 and $2 bills in favor of coins a lot of the problems would be eliminated. They could release all those stored dollar coins to eliminate any shortages after the elimination of the wasteful $1 and useless $2 bills. A new $2 coin would be well received.
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 Posted 02/11/2015  05:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NJ Bob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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...and useless $2 bills...


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 Posted 02/11/2015  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A two dollar note would not be useless if we eliminated the one dollar note.

Although a two dollar coin would be better.


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Canada does a lot of things right with coins and currency that the US could emulate.
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 Posted 02/11/2015  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Groszy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I live in a country where all coinage is made of plated steel, it doesn't rust. That's what the nickel plating does, it stops the coins from rusting.

Rust prevention? Yes and no. I've found a number of more modern Canadian coins in circulation this past year (stuff from 2011 through 2013),and I'd estimate about half of them are really messed up. One side looks fine and you think you've found a nice example, flip it and see where the coin's gotten severely scratched (in two examples you could tell the top plating was scratched off in several spots going in a relatively strait line)

Those scratches will rust. Look at Zincolns, I couldn't begin to tell you the number of cents I've come across this year alone (from January 1st) that you can see the zinc underneath.

As far as using inox steel, they are able to produce it cheap enough (look at any large retailer), but it might be too expensive for usage as coinage. But, it'd last thousands of years.

I firmly believe the solution is redenomination (by possibly a factor of 100...the old 100 becomes the new 1, etc.); otherwise we risk a future (few decades, a century) in which the lowest denomination produced is the 100 or the 1000 or even higher. And what does that say about a nation? That, of course, is the low end estimate. If the US dollar ceases to be the world reserve currency, the value of it could collapse, as well if the US debt continues to go through the roof, the nation could collapse. In other words, if we continue the way we're doing, I don't think this country or currency will exist by 2100. But, if it does, do we want to be able to buy something at a store for under a dollar or do we want to NOT be able to buy anything at a store for under 100 dollars or more.

Furthermore, people say the value of $1 50-60 years ago is now $10 today...the question is 'why?' The answer? Silver. Before that inflation was kept in check via gold and silver. Redenominate, eliminate existing currency, go back to gold and silver. Add in some other precious metals to allow the monetary supply to be inflated even more if need be, and the problem is solved. There is an absolute cap in the amount of money that can be in circulation (via paper) without risking default.

That, however, is my opinion on the matter. Nothing more than that...and I highly doubt it will ever come to fruition.
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February 9, 2015 By Michael Zielinski â€"22 Comments

A bill has been introduced in the House of Representatives which seeks to quickly and dramatically alter the composition for all current circulating United States coins. Specifically, the bill would require the one-cent, five-cent, dime, and quarter dollar coins to be produced primarily of steel, with the change implemented 90 days after the enactment of the Act.

The bill H.R. 516 or the “Cents and Sensibility Act” was introduced on January 22, 2015 and represents the third attempt from Rep. Steve Stivers of Ohio to alter the compositions of circulating coins. In 2011, he introduced two separate bills which separately sought to immediately alter the composition of cents and nickels to steel. In 2013, a bill was introduced seeking to alter the compositions of cents, nickels, dimes, and quarters to primarily steel. The current bill contains much the same provisions as the one introduced in 2013.

The bill calls for the four denominations to be produced primarily of steel and meet such other specifications as the Secretary of the Treasury may determine appropriate. The coins are to be treated in such a manner that they are similar in appearance to the coins produced prior to the date of enactment. Lastly, there is a requirement to use only steel produced in the United States unless the Secretary finds this requirement to be inconsistent with the public interest or an adequate supply of United States steel is not available.

There are additional requirements for the conversion to new coin specifications. These include the stipulations that such specifications would not require more than one change to coin-accepting and coin-handling equipment, facilitate or allow the use of coins or tokens of lesser value in place of circulating coins, or require non-trivial changes to coin-accepting or coin-handling equipment to accommodate co-circultion of coins carrying the new and old specifications.

Finally, there is an allowance for the Secretary of the Treasury to produce numismatic versions of the cent, nickel, dime, and quarter in compositions in place before the act.

The issue of circulating coin composition had gained significant attention when declining production volumes and increasing base metal costs drove the United States Mint costs to produce the cent and nickel to more than double their respective face values. For the 2011 fiscal year, the cost to produce and distribute the two lowest denominations rose to a peak of 2.41 cents per cent and 11.18 cents per nickel.

Since this time, rising production volumes and lower base metal prices have served to reduce the costs of producing these denominations, although both still remain well above their respective face values. For the 2013 fiscal year, the cost to produce and distribute the cent was 1.66 cents and the cost for the nickel was 8.09 cents.

Despite the losses generated by the two lowest denominations, across all circulating denominations, the Untied States Mint has consistently generated positive seigniorage. For the 2013 fiscal year, seigniorage generated from circulating coinage was $289.1 million.

Amidst the legislative attempts to immediately alter the composition of circulating coins, the United States Mint has been conducting research and development activities with regards to circulating coin composition under the Coin Modernization, Oversight, and Continuity Act of 2010. The most recent biennial reported delivered in December 2014 outlined the potentially significant private sector costs of a dramatic change in coin composition and indicated planned additional research into seamless materials which would have the same electromagnetic signature as current coinage.

The current bill H.R. 516 has two cosponsors and has been referred to the House Financial Services committee.


http://news.coinupdate.com/reintrod...arters-4674/
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Canada does a lot of things right with coins and currency that the US could emulate. Elimination of the Cent, plated steel coins and viable dollar coins and Two dollar coins (made viable by elimination of the paper equivalents) has made Canada's currency cost effective and efficient.

Don't forget the elimination of paper notes with a switch to polymer. Much longer life for the notes.

Unfortunately the only thing we seem to be emulating of theirs is a rapidly expanding sales list of coins from the mint. At least from Canada they are different coins. We get the same coins in different sets.
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Why not just get rid of all coins? Use only paper money. Start with the one Cent paper bill, then a 2 Cent, 3 Cent, all the way up to a thousand dollar bill. One Cent at a time.
This would make everyone so mad they would simply start using their credit/debit cards more. Thus eliminating the use of our cash money altogether. I keep predicting this will someday be the future of our money anyway.
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and you guys don't have unscrupulous retailers charging an extra fee to use your debit or credit cards? I hate these, you cannot eliminate until you mandate zero fees from both banks and retailers. (good luck with this one)
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Here the fees are paid by the retailer, not the customer. However, some places around here give unofficial cash discounts. I say unofficial because I believe the PCI agreement forbids them.

Edit to add: It appears they are prohibited from charging convenience fees on electronic transactions, but giving cash discounts is okay.
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Just Carl writes:

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Why not just get rid of all coins? Use only paper money. Start with the one Cent paper bill, then a 2 Cent, 3 Cent, all the way up to a thousand dollar bill. One Cent at a time.


While obviously the idea of fractional currency makes even less cents than the penny these days, the era of fractional coins is coming quickly to an end.

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As I've asked before, why doesn't this Congressman seek for the half and the dollar coin to also be made out of primarily steel? I know that halves and dollar coins are currently only being made for collector purposes, but steel bags and rolls of halves and dollar coins would be cheaper as well, but, if the base metals of cents, nickels, dimes, and quarters change to the cheaper, steel, would that make the current cents, nickels, dimes, quarters, halves and dollar coins more valuable? Or at least, worth hoarding for the future prices of copper, nickel and zinc, if they take a steep rise?
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