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Bogus 1953-S Franklin Half ?

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I am not very familiar with this series but am studying before starting work on a set. That said, the coin found in the ebay lot below seems bogus to me. It's described as "FBL" however the slab has been altered for this purpose and not actually descirbed as FBL by PCGS.

Secondly, while not an expert, this coin does not appear to the eye to have full bell lines and in fact looks circulated to my eye. Not to mention, this coin absolutely does not appear to have full bell lines.

My guess is then that the holder is a counterfeit PCGS holder as well.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-S-FRAN...em54178de247

Here is another from the same seller, which not only looks better to the eye, but has a "CAC" sticker, yet the seller is asking less money for it. Here too, I am very confident that the slab, all labels, and the sticker are counterfeits.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-FRANKL...em5d549717ee

Perhaps I am missing something. What do y'all think?
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I believe that the 90fbl is a brand name but taped on it to deceive the buyer. Be careful of the auction. Remember: Judge the coin and not the holder.
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I'm not positive if it's counterfeit or not but, I'll say one thing..it ain't MS65..
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I think those coins look like they could go into my circulated Franklin album.... at spot.
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Never heard of 90fbl. Recent neg feedbacks and the odd sticker would tell me to stay away.
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It's one of those MacGee stickers.
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Slur - sounds like he is a self- grader. Is there more knowledge you could share?
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Franklins are a tough series. Although
Neither coin has excellent eye appeal to me, that does not mean the technical grade is not correct. Also with the FBL craze, some dealers are selling 90% full bell lined coins at a premium (sometimes significant). This is particularly true of any 53s and 50d (in ms65 for the 50d). Just my thoughts
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I did mean a tough series to grade without the coin in hand on the weakly struck coins.
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Fromms - do you find Franklins hard to photograph - e.g. bright white coins often look blemished or toned in photos?
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shermae, here is a thread on the sticker: https://goccf.com/t/194567
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Thanks very much Slur - very interesting. The president appears to be between 17 and 19 years old.
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Franklins do not flatter themselves in photos. Some great photographers can bring out more than most
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Grades are probably legit but 90FBL sticker added
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Ha! I questioned this guy on how he has the audacity to charge such outstanding premiums on coins that aren't even FBL . He had a couple of Mercury dimes I was looking at and they had a huge premium on them because he put a 90% fbl sticker on them. I told him he is a scam and I would be letting the coin community know about his doings.
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I'm not sure but I believe the slab is a fake.
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