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Interestingly Historic Counter-Stamped V Nickel

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I saw this 1891 V nickel counter-stamped from the Pan American Exposition in Buffalo, NY. The date stamped on it is September 13, 1901.

This is seven days after President William McKinley was shot while at the Exposition and the day before he died.

An interesting piece of American history.

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From what I can see, there's no way to connect this particular piece to McKinley, thus no history here. It could have been made well after the fact. Note the different size punch marks and awkward placement. This can be admittedly an issue with many a counterstamp.

That said, there are many coins out there which were placed on the railroad tracks over which the McKinley funeral train passed. The flattened coins were then stamped as mementos. There's mention made of this phenomenon in the contemporary book about McKinley, released just after his death. These pieces have appeal for counterstamp collectors as well as those who seek elongateds. Just think, an elongated coin that didn't roll out of a machine ... Of course, such items can be replicated today if one has a set of letter punches and lives near the tracks!
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The cs looks too fresh and ink too dark.
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I could stamp one of these at work tomorrow for you if you like.
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When buying counterstamps, it's best to avoid the ones in which individual letter punches were used. The prepared, logo punches are generally too costly an item for a trickster. Then too, an antique logo punch is sometimes used on a coin. These can be tricky. In my travels, I've seen but a few. There are pics of most classic counterstamps, so comparison can be made if one has the books or online resources. Sadly, the VOTE THE LAND FREE and the OIL OF ICE counterstamps have been faked, but these are discernable by comparing the style of the punches usrd.

While it's possible that Paul was correct in his assumption about the piece he posted, it's one that I wouldn't buy for a buck. Yet, if it drives one's imagination, like a replica coin, many will buy them. Confirmed logo punches, like the one on my avatar, typically sell in the hundreds. Bonafide history offers the best value. Let the buyer beware ... as with the fake and altered coins.
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After reading the comments it's a good thing I didn't bid on it.
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It was likely purchased by someone who collects Pan Am memorabilia. It's likely to stir thoughts such as you had, Paul.

I've seen the rail-flattened coins, counterstamped with something like "McKinley Funeral Train" and some September, 1901 date, sell in the $30-$50 range. While these weren't produced by a single, logo punch, the size and style of the single-letter punches typically matches. Also, the maker's "canvas" was obviously well-flattened out-of-shape. As this practice was well-documented in the book and newspapers of the time, it's likely that most we see nowadays are period pieces.
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