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A Peru 8 Rs 1840 - Mint Error Or Ship-Wreck?

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Hi members,

I have no idea why this coin looks like that. Is it the results of die/mint errors or ship-wreck? My impressions: the standing liberty is totally ruined probably by an aged die and the centre of the reverse is weakly struck. I have seen a number of these Peru 8R have a weak centre. The background field is grainy and rough, I don't be sure it had been soaked in water for a long time or not. The edge is poorly engraved. But the coin is struck, not casted. Hope it is not fake. Please share your opinions. Henry



A-Peru-8-Rs-1840---Mint-Error-Or-Ship-Wreck?

A-Peru-8-Rs-1840---Mint-Error-Or-Ship-Wreck?

A-Peru-8-Rs-1840---Mint-Error-Or-Ship-Wreck?

A-Peru-8-Rs-1840---Mint-Error-Or-Ship-Wreck?

A-Peru-8-Rs-1840---Mint-Error-Or-Ship-Wreck?

A-Peru-8-Rs-1840---Mint-Error-Or-Ship-Wreck?

A-Peru-8-Rs-1840---Mint-Error-Or-Ship-Wreck?

A-Peru-8-Rs-1840---Mint-Error-Or-Ship-Wreck?
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Well, the localized pattern of erosion is suggestive of the high point(s) of the device being in contact with or close proximity to another metallic object in some sort of electrolytic environment - whether that was underwater or in the ground it'd be hard to say. I presume you've weighed it and perhaps determined its specific gravity? If those measurements indicate authenticity, then the next step would be research as to whether a quantity of these have ever been salvaged from a shipwreck. If that circumstance cannot be established, you'll probably never know for sure what happened to it.
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SG=10.238 (~85% Ag), 26.23 grams.
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Good coin (authentic!).
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I think those numbers are good enough to pronounce it genuine, too. But the condition is puzzling. The obverse looks to have had something unusual inflicted upon it, while the reverse appears just very worn, but only in the central area (could it have been that poor a strike?). I can see why you posted it for opinions.
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Thank you your opinions, Lucky Cuss and Filip.

I just recognize the second edge picture posted is actually an edge overlap. There is another overlap at the opposite side (180°) of the first overlap. Not quite frequent to see edge overlap for these Peru 8 Reales.
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I think corrosion in seawater (ship wreck effect) can be ruled out rather easily. The effect is not uniform at all and the edges look nearly MS. For example, there are visual effects on the tops of the letters on the obverse but nothing on the immediately adjacent field area or the area inside some letters. That is not how corrosion takes place in an ocean environment.

The appearance of the surface could indicate a very rough rolling of the silver strip from which the blanks were punched. The features on the figure of standing Liberty that are being discussed are also seen in the field of the coin where they seem to be more subdued as if they were partially obliterated by the force of the strike. This would place this kind of feature in the same class as an adjustment mark. A feature that was on the planchet prior to the strike that simply survived the strike.

The characteristics of a weak strike also show in the lettering - poor infill of the die and a completely missing center of the shield. So it is my conclusion that the dimples have nothing to do with corrosion after the strike at all. The weak strike preserved the original planchet surface.

The SG is close enough that an analytical scale would be needed for greater accuracy. Add to this the fact that Peru was noted for inaccurate assay silver and I would not be bothered.

So I would say the coin looks genuine but establishing an accurate grade for such a horrendous strike is going to be tough.

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