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Pulled my whitman deluxe Lincoln folder out after not looking at it for YEARS and my coins are turning BLACK and some green (that's bad). I have (or did) have mostly Uncs. from the mid 40's up ruined  what would be the best holders on a small budget to try and save what good ones I have left? I have a few in Kointains but the are a hassle to put in and airtites are out of my budget at the moment. Any Ideas on maybe helping my now problem coins? 
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Im sorry I don't know what to tell you. It may be a variety of things from humidity, to the plstic holder that it was in. Its terrible to see something like this happen to such a good collection.
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Scarry. You said FOLDER. I hope you don't have good coins in a FOLDER. The difference in folders from albums is the folder is just that, a folder with slots for each coin that has to be pressed into slots. You can not see the reverse of a coin in a folder. An Album is like a book with pages that have plastic type slides where you can see both sides of a coin. If in a folder, most of your coins will have been contaminated eventually. From the looks of the coins you displayed the damage is on the left sides mostly. Apparently excessive moisture and possibly some Sulfur is present where you keep your coins. Unfortunately this type of damage is none reversable. The contaminate is a combination of the metal and other elements which means if and when removed will take some of the metal with it. The 1944 appears to have been turning from excessive Oxygen, Carbon Dioxide and moistue. This creates CupricCarbonate. The 86 appears to have been exposed to something even more corrosive. Almost all Copper contaminates turn greenish including exposure to Sulfur, Oxygen, Carbon Dioxide and even Chlorines and Florines. That is the normal Crystaline color of Copper compounds. Please examine the location of the coins and let us know what you find. Please note if in an actual folder, the backing page is glued to a cardboard, slotted page. This glue has been known to corrode coins over a period of time. Please let us know if in an album or folder.
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Album, folder...doesn't really matter one way or the other, because both will ruin cents. Folders just do it faster. The original poster did say Whitman Deluxe, which is an album, not a folder.
The thing that killed these coins faster than they should have died in an album is moisture and heat. They were improperly stored. Nothing will save them.
Best thing to do is take the coins that aren't ruined, put them in 2x2 flips (archival safe flips), then put the flips in 20 pocket pages, and keep them environmentally safe. Storing them in a basement, attic, or out building is a no-no. Nothing will save then from those harsh conditions.
A safe, bookshelf, or other air-conditioned place with the coins stored flat in a binder full of 20 pocket pages containing the coins in safe-flips is the only way to go for longer term storage.
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Coppercoins,
I also have my Lincolns in an album. I recently sold all my Reds and switched to Brown because I didn't want to worry about toning. Even though they're brown, do you still suggest keeping them in airtights or 2 x 2 flips? Also what are "archival safe flips"?
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United States
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Copporcoins, I bought an guys book from ebay. It was whitman classis book. His coins did same thing. My penny set I built is very expensive I installed them in an new he harris book. What can I do to keep my coins safe in my book. Have you seen https://www.seal-a-meal.com. Its an Vacuum Food storage system. You put food like steak in bag and it pulls the air out of it. Then it glue bags shut to keep it safe. They claim food in freazer last longor. Do you think an good idea to put my album full of coins in those bags and seel them from the air for long term storage. Will coins tone in or ruin ifs sealed from the air in my air condtioned house. I dont want open it someday and all 1934 thru 73 coins are ruined aslong with others. Some are expensive like the 1914d, 1909 s coins. aslong with proofs , bu coins I have. That seal a meal website claims peaple have sealed papers that will turn yellow like an wedding card , roses etc. I never heard about coins being sealed in those bags or albums? I already have the machice and use it all time for my freezer foods. So what do think for coin albums? Chevrolet454ss
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I've been using Whitman Classic Albums since they came out. I used the Whitman Albums previous to those before that. I now have well over 100 of those Whitman Classic Albums and in general, most are full. Each one is in a freezer type, zip lock bag with as much air pressed out as possible. I've been doing this for many, many years. Of course prior to zip lock bags, I just used plastic bags. NONE, I mean NONE of my coins have toned, corroded, tarnished. I've been collecting coins for well over 60 years and many of the coins I have are from when I was a kid back in the early 1940's. As long as air and moisture does not get to the coins easily, nothing will happen. I live in a high humidity area, Chicago, and as I've said, NONE of my coins look different from the day I put them in the Albums. Possibly they may start to change in a few hundred years. If so I'll let you know. The coins as shown definately were exposed to something. As I said, even normal C, O and Co2 will begin to change Copper coins. However, one of those coins with the black corrosion must have been exposed to something much worse.
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USArmy: Just put your Album in a zip lock bag and push as much air out as possible. After you zip it up, try to lift the plastic away from the Album. If it lifts, air is getting in. Use a different one or double it up. If air, or any gasses can not get to your coins, nothing will happen. Metallic reactions with any elements is only possible if a catalictic agent, such as air, moisture, etc. accesses that metallic object. Note that even CO2 will effect metallic subtances. As I've said, I have Copper coins from when I was a kid over 60 years ago and they look like the day I got them.
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The coins pictured were in the whitman classic folder, the problem is they were in a big wooden hinged box, you know the kinds they sell with Budweiser or winchester logo's on them. for probably a good 12+ years. heck the last ones in there were 1993's I got out of BU rolls I picked up from where I worked that year. I know, me stupid  I always had problem with coppers changing colors and getting spots that is why I stopped collecting them. there were even a few early UNC's that I bought years ago that spots showed up within a month of when I bought them. Not all of them are ruined some of the worse ones are the Zinc but some of the coppers are pretty nasty looking, a few finger prints have even showed up on some of them. At least the Circ. keys and semi-keys that I had are still OK
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The coins pictured were in the whitman classic folder, the problem is they were in a big wooden hinged box, you know the kinds they sell with Budweiser or winchester logo's on them. for probably a good 12+ years. heck the last ones in there were 1993's I got out of BU rolls I picked up from where I worked that year. I know, me stupid
OK, that explains the effects on the coins. No Albums or folders are truely air tight. That wood box was probably treated wood, full of chemicals and moisture from rushing to get out for publicities sake. No intent would have been there for the preservation of anything. The worse part is what was in the box, stayed in the box which is obviously moisture, air and who knows what type of chemical preservatives for the wood. The logos also contained something that contributed to that effect. What you may want to try is the old Acetone rinsing. It will never return the coins to originality, but may remove and/or stop further contamination growth. Regardless. Put what is left in zip lock plastic bags after you air them out for a few days.
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My father gave me his cent collection, which was basically a bunch of common dates. They were in a cardboard folder for 20 years. It actually worked out for me that the coins turned brown. I like my coins to look even, not have brilliant red next to brown. His 1950s wheaties were mostly AU-UNC and brown. Try finding an MS-brown 1950s wheat. It's very difficult.
There was also a lot of well worn, older dates. Those act as nice temporary hole fillers. So I can focus on the remaining holes, EF or better and complete the set much quicker. After that I can just do upgrades at my leasure.
Edited by USArmyParatrooper 09/29/2007 2:13 pm
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