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1919-S Lincoln Cent - Misaligned Die Or ...?

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I purchased this 1919-S Lincoln Cent and when I received it I noticed the "extra" metal rim on the top of the obverse and the corresponding spot on the reverse.

It doesn't look to be enough to call the coin "off center" and I'm not sure if it's the result of a misaligned die, if it's nothing at all or ...?

I'd appreciate some insights for my curiosity. Thanks in advance.

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Did you take this image or is this image from an auction?
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It's mine.
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Broadstrike maybe?
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Is there such a thing as a partial broadstrike? It looks to me like a broadstrike, but just a little.
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is this a lip coming one way or the other? can you post an image from the side? Normally broadstrooks show signs of an upward motion of the rims.
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I thought broadstrikes were flat and off-centres having a lip.
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Here are a couple of shots of the edge. There is something unusual.

Sorry they're not better.

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There are error experts here who know a lot more than me, so I will wait to be corrected. But I think it is a partial collar broadstrike (if there is such a thing). Somehow the collar did not hold. Broadstrikes are struck without a collar, they can be centered or off-centered. It looks like there was a collar that held your coin back from being a full broadstrike. Just my opinion, I will wait to hear from others.
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I wonder if the collar tipped? Machine collar doubling?
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I sent a message to Mike Diamond. He will know what it could be.
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I'm skeptical that this is a partial collar error. The subtle "step" (if that's what it is) seems oddly wavy. If the diameter of the coin is normal, then what you probably have are two minor misalignments in opposite directions. I've seen a number of such errors.
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The diameter is just over 19 mm. 19.05 is normal, so the size seems right.

Thanks for all the responses to my question.
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An email conversation with Mike.

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Coop asked: Did you mean the coin was tilted slightly in the collar and during the strike it moved the rims a bit?



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Mike answered: No tilt. There is a little bit of play between the anvil die neck and the collar, which allows for a very slight misalignment. The hammer die has a lot of potential play, of course. See this example of a dual misalignment:

http://www.error-ref.com/dual-misal...f-both-dies/

Mike


Thought I would add this as it clears a question I had.
http://www.error-ref.com/dual-misal...f-both-dies/
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