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1962 Lincoln Cent DD? Update

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Please look at thses photos and let me know what you think. I think I see doubled especially on the 2. Of course I've never been good at these sort of pics.



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On the 2 I'm having trouble seeing the doubling. Are saying that you see doubling on the liberty as well? I can't really tell on the liberty because of it being blurry, but there could be. Maybe someone else with better eyes can chime in.
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 Posted 09/29/2007  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vaslin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Machine doublin'. The 2 didn't have much, but the 'E' of the liberty showed some.
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Is this better? It actually looks like a smaller 2 over a larger 2. A repunched MM? I mean a repunched date?




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Yea, now I see what you're seeing on the '2'. Think that one's going to be a worn die, but not sure.

(Of course, I'm no expert compared to everyone else on the boards here)
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I see what you are referring to but look at the 6 , it is my understanding if it is a true double die it can not have doubling on the top and the bottom. On the 6 it goes all the way around the outside edge so its not going in one direction it is going all the way around, kind of looks like a 6 over a larger 6 and that just isn't possible because they would use the same size of number. So (as I said this is just my understanding) if you see this type of doubling it is either Die Deterioration or Machine Doubling
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That's very interesting Brian.

And I just found another one. Same date. Practically identical and from the same roll.

Does that help in determining what what's going on with this cent?
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From what I see it looks like an ordinary 1962 Cent. The marks in the field are just die scratches around the date. The marks in the field around LIBERTY look like die flow. The coin looks like an early die maybe early-mid die state. Find two with that same marks from the same roll means they are very close relatives. You often find several in a BU roll that came from the same dies as other coins in the roll. I sometimes watch for markers that mean I can pass over a coin as I found nothing on that die (coins made from the die) and pass it on as nothing on it either. I've been saving the BU ones without marks on the columns as put back coins for that sale. The dinged, scratched and damaged ones go back into circulation.
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 Posted 09/30/2007  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for helping me to figure that one out.

I also understand what coop means by die flow in LIBERTY and I can now identify what that is.

Thank again!
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I was looking for a 1995 DDO when I ran into a 1962 Lincoln Cent that looks just like the one I've posted.

What I found on the internet is listed as #1-0-11

Could someone check it out and tell me what they think?
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The listing for Wexler 1-O-II one page number 116 of "The Lincoln Cent Doubled Die" book appears to have some Machine Doubling on the inside areas of the image. The doubling they are referring is the doubling of the numbers toward the rim. Here is a proof Cent with less doubling, but on the Strike Doubling you can see marks on the inside edge of the numbers.
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The part you want to look for is in the middle of the date. I've added arrows to show where the second hubbing overlapped or separated from the first hubbing. Doubled dies can have Machine Doubling along with hub doubling. You just have to know which is which. always nice to have one in hand, then you can see if better on the next coin you find.
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum..._COOP_01.jpg
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...oop_06PR.jpg
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...op_008PR.jpg
There are many doubled dies for 1962. Even a 1962-D that I have images of.
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...62_D_DDR.jpg
But these I haven't found a listing for. I have many for this year and the coppercoins.com/ site hasn't even started to scratch the surface on this year yet. So look at every 1962 P & D Cent to see what you can find. They are there.



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THANKS COOP! I'm getting closer to understanding this. I won't say 'AHA, I got it' yet because this is very tricky. For now I can compare my 62 pics with yours (with your permission?] and understand it. It will probably be tricky using this understanding on a different coin. But hey, I'm game. My quest continues, hopefully on another level.

Thanks again:)
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