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First thing pardon my terminology as I am still learning.  I was under the impression that the details from the first strike would not be visible where the second strike hit and would be replaced with the second strike details only? Could this be real or have I been duped again?  I really find this coin fascinating and it looks legit to me but I am a total amateur! What would something like this be worth? PER GO's request:   Edited by Nelrak
11/08/2007 11:17 am
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99% of the time when you see that...someone hammered 2 coins together thus making one of the images a reverse. However this one...I have no idea. Far as I can tell it Looks legit only because I can't think of a way to fake that. The rim is intact which kinda baffles me.
Got a picture of the whole coin?
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I am going to watch this. I am like GO, typically am very skeptical of these but having looked at it under magnification, the phasing and rotation seem correct. I just do not know about this one.
Jim
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This one is a fake. It is a fabrication. There were many done in the 1960s. One that comes to mind as being fairly well known is a multiple strike on a 1964 cent.
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Bill, I respect your opinion highly. Can you go into a little more detail about how and why it's a fake so I can inform the person I am acquiring it from. Thanks!
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11/08/2007 1:46 pm
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It was nicely placed to look real. Probably with a soft die made outside the mint. The reason it could be real is best pictured with a real off center strike.  Note how it distorts the shape of the Nickel? A Nickel would not fit into collar to to be struck a second time as it is used to shape the outside edge of the coin. (With dimes/quarters/halves/some dollars the reeding is present.) The rim as you can see on the image is done in a setup process. If the coin was double struck that rim would be distorted as in my image. |
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Well, that's a shame, I thought I really found something! My son is/was driving me crazy about it. That's what is so great about these forums...everyone doesn't mind sharing their expertise. I assume that's probably why it wasn't TPG too. Looking more closely it does look like the eyes on Jefferson are straight whereas the reverse with Monticello is not parallel...unless it was a rotate die. Thanks for the insight, Coop and Bill! I guess my son will get his WII after-all! I did ask the seller to re-evaluate the asking price en-light of it being a post-mint alteration, my son still likes it a lot even though he's disappointed it's not a real Mint error! Edited by Nelrak
11/08/2007 9:04 pm
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that picture coop placed up there helps. yo can see how sharp the second strike is and you can see how it destroys the edge where it overlaps.
None of those is visible on the coin in question. Thanks,
Bill
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New Question, Same topic, I am confused... I realize that the nickel that started this thread was determined to be not a real mint error. I am kind of puzzled how this error occurred on this cent and why weren't the details destroyed as mentioned about the nickel on this thread, if authentic, would have demonstrated. I am really confused with the clear "GOD" in the hair of Jefferson. Keep in mind it's NGC Graded as a Struck on 2001 D 1 Cent. 260203131597  Edited by Nelrak
01/21/2008 3:39 pm
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I'm curious to know how that image can be faked. Pounding two coins together would only make a reverse of the same image. Can anyone say how the same image can be/was fake-struck onto the nickel outside the mint?
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I don't see how this could have been a result of a strike. If a second strike happened, the coin would be highly distorted.
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 I don't see how either, with all the tons of pressure used to produce a coin, how are there any details of the cent at all? AND NGC certifies it? |
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In my opinion the coin in the slab is an intentional error ,probably made by a mint employee .
just keep in mind what has to happen to a coin that is struck a second time off center .
The tons of pressure which the mint dies come into contact with the coin is immense and distortion and obliteration of detail are the result .
The first nickel shown was done carefully with soft dies and very little pressure ,, since the design is placed on top of the highest points of the coin those design elements would almost entiely be obliterated by the second strike from a mint press.
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Very plausible theory on the NGC 6 center, Metalman. The Mint sure seem to have a lot of accidental errors out in the general population or should I say specific dealers do. Somebody's gettin' paid!  |
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How can this be a fake there are no indentations on the obverse and revers, This coin is impossible to fake, Impossible, Ill go with what Metalman said, and that is, its an intentional error ,probably made by a mint employee  .  say Nelrak are you thinking of selling  it |
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This has been interesting with a lot of insight. Looking at the pics again, something came to light. I know little about nickels, not one of my interests but I assume that the minting process is the same as on other coins. That said, a blank planchet 1st goes thru the upsetting machine and it sets the rim. It then goes to the die stamping process for devises and possibly inside shaping of the rim, but the rim was already there. I see a rim on the off-center image on the coin. The die would not have produced a rim, as I understand the process, so this has to have been done by some means other than with the dies. Am I incorrect? Jim |
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