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1802 Draped Bust 1c: An Interesting Die Variety

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 Posted 11/24/2007  11:09 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
For the past few weeks, I've been reading up on Draped Bust cents in order to make a wise collecting decision. When I came across an 1802 that looked like a good candidate, I researched further to ascertain the particular die variety, as that affects value. Using online and written resources, I tried to correlate this coin first to the common die varieties, given its low-end R1 price. Hours later, I couldn't find a match, so I checked against all known die varieties. And, here's what I found:

This coin is an S-235, which Sheldon describes in Penny Whimsy in the low R5 range, and "a great rarity above VF". Only a couple of examples have come to auction in the last 5 years. Below is a comparison between the obverse of the coin I bought, and a known S-235 from a Goldberg's auction (source: Ira & Larry Goldberg Coins & Collectibles) Since this variety is typically recognized by its rim break above "RTY", this coin was missed because it's an early die state before the break. Cool huh?

1802-Draped-Bust-1c:-An-Interesting-Die-Variety
(left coin appears rough due to resample to match size of right pic)

Some notes on determining this die variety:
a. The "RTY" rim break has not developed yet, which suggests an early die state
b. Point of hair curl centered below B; position of LIBERTY matches overall
c. Minor defects in the field matches in both coins
d. Another matching defect in the field
e. Matching date positions, sizes, and angles

The reverse also has some very distinct matching details:
1802-Draped-Bust-1c:-An-Interesting-Die-Variety

a. "OF" is weak in both coins
b. "ONE CENT" matches exactly in relation to the wreath
c. Matching fraction, die damage through "U", and the die crack through "100" perfectly matches.


Through this find, I now understand one cannot always identify a coin through die breaks and other process flaws because earlier die states don't have this feature. As one more example, here's an S-235 showing an even earlier die state than my coin:

1802-Draped-Bust-1c:-An-Interesting-Die-Variety

This very early die state XF45 auctioned for $5462 in 1-2005!
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11/26/2007 03:31 am
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 Posted 11/24/2007  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hunter20ga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting! Great find.
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11/24/2007 5:50 pm
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 Posted 11/24/2007  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Simply Stunning. Thanks for sharing pics.
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 Posted 11/24/2007  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello KurtS,

Terrific coin. I don't know how much the value increases with increasing rarity for large cent die varieties, but if you got an R5 coin at an R1 price you should be extremely pleased!

Do you have any thoughts on the condition? It looks to have EF details, although I presume the glossy look is evidence of cleaning. Are you thinking of getting it slabbed to authenticate the die variety? If so, I think ANACS would be your best TPG service.

Can you post an enlarged photo of the date? The "0" appears to have a raised line across the center which almost makes it look like a 0 over 9 overdate. I'd like to get a better look.

Congratultions on picking up a beauty!
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 Posted 11/25/2007  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all your feedback! I'm pretty happy with this find, especially since a friend pointed out that Breen's Early United States Cents 1793-1814, lists this as die state 2, and calls it "very rare"! Jaobler, based on the dealer photo (I have yet to pick it up), I would guess perhaps a VF30? Of course, I'm pretty new a grading coppers, and some details appear better than 30, such as drapery around the bust. I'll post better pics when the coin arrives.

The news just keeps getting better!

The pics I have are from the dealer, and I'll post better ones when it arrives. I don't know whether it was cleaned (hopefully not), but given the rarity I think this is a keeper.
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11/25/2007 2:41 pm
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 Posted 11/25/2007  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Kurt

Hopefull the lack of market on the rarities of the large Cents is not quite the same as those in the VAM game ,,

I cherry picked a VAM 3N 1921 Morgan with a rarity of 6 ,, later to find out that with so few of them ,,there is no established market and although I can't complain about the amount the coin could net me above purchase ,,the rarity really held the coin back from being a big dollar coin like it should be .

Thank you for the very informative study on the cent above ,,this is cool stuff !

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 Posted 11/25/2007  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Metalman!
From what I've learned from EAC books and people sofar, die varieties are a major determinant to value (vs. mint date). Then again, I won't be in any rush to sell this one.
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