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Where Are All The Old West Bullet Hole Silver Dollars?

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Like the title says I have yet to come across a morgan with an old west bullet hole in it. You would think they would be somewhat common like counterstamps with all the Cowboys and miners of the time using them for target shooting or later with the shows like buffalo bill or pawnee bill. Maybe it's because a bullet hole 10 yrs ago would look exactly like one from 100+yrs ago and all the documented originals are in top tier collections?

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I have an old Morgan dollar with a hole cleanly punched or drilled through it -- definitely not a bullet hole.

I'd guess that a real bullet hole would be messy, and would cause a lot of deformation, bending, etc.
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It would leave only a concave rim pushing out around the hole I would assume as silver is quite soft relative to a bullet at such high speeds
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A bullet with the kinetic energy to cleanly penetrate a Morgan will probably destroy the coin. You don't see them because they're all in pieces.
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Looks like it's experiment time then
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So much depends on the type of Bullet. Some are soft Lead only. Some are Armor piercing. Some are plated with Copper or Brass. And too, again so much depends on the speed of the Bullet. For example there are over 12 standard varieties of a simple .38 Special cartridge. Some have flat Bullets and some have Hollow Points. All this means so much depends on what someone shoots and at what they are shooting. And too, don't forget in real life if the coin is in the air, most Bullets would push it mostly out of the way. If against something like a wooden object, some might go through. Just to many variables.
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I've seen silver dollars with provenance attesting to the fact that they were shot by Annie Oakley.
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Yes celtic... I must have seen one before a long time ago? Or that lawyer outlaw that used to shoot coins and playing cards and use them as his business cards. John Harden I think?
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Yeah, I read somewhere that Wyatt Earp was so successful as a law man was because he had armor piercing bullets and hollow points.

One would imagine that, since most of the intact Morgans were melted for their silver, the damaged ones were the first into the smelting pot.
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perhaps because the ones used for target practice were just dropped in the field/ where the shooting occurred or melted by the people shooting them simply because they were destroyed and probably no longer spendable if even still identifiable?
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The ones that then passed through the Cowboys or outlaws are up there on Boot Hill with them
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And a dollar was some big money back then. Most cowpokes didn't have many of them to shoot and destroy!
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For all those reading this I found a ccf post in 2008 about this. (Kind of)

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...IC_ID=32281&
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Quote:
Looks like it's experiment time then


If you're serious, think something small like .22WMR or .243.
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Yup, next bag of 100 or 500 culls I get a few common ag's will feel the wrath!
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Hey Cascade! Just remember Christmas Story and don't shoot your eye out.
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