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Can Someone Help With This 8 Reales Coin?

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 Posted 04/12/2015  03:12 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rockybarrier to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
from what I could find on the web this is an 8 Reales silver coin but it doesn't look silver at all. what gives?

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 Posted 04/12/2015  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
See Amazon Books - Counterfeit 8 Reales - by Gurney.

Click the LOOK INSIDE Link.

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 Posted 04/12/2015  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First off, welcome.

A "Cap & Rays" type, ostensibly from the Mexico City mint. These have been over the years widely faked, both for illicit circulation (known as "contemporary counterfeits") and more recently to fool collectors ("modern numismatic forgeries"). Offhand, this specimen, which is a common issue in the series, looks typically worn. I can't really tell from this photo if it's a brassy color or not, but if it is, then it may well have been originally plated, or just tinned in order to initially be passed off as the real thing. I've even read somewhere that they could've been even quicksilvered (coated with mercury).

Photos of the other side and the edge would be helpful. A weight accurate to at least a tenth of a gram will also go a long way towards determining if it's genuine or not.
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 Posted 04/14/2015  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello and welcome!

First I will ask a question - what do you think is wrong with this coin? Just the color or is there something else?

The picture shows a coin that uses a "correct" design for Mexico City in 1863. Can you post a picture of the other side? The eagle is always more definitive in checking for a hand engraved die.

Have you tried ringing the coin? If not, balance the coin on the tip of your finger and tap it gently with a pencil. Silver will ring at a clear high pitch. Most counterfeits will not ring or have a short duration ring.

Have you weighed the coin? I would expect the weight to be about 26.7 grams based on wear.

Finally what does the edge look like? It should resemble a series of brackets - like {{{{{{{{{{{{{.

There is a brass version of this coin which was cast and then silver plated. These casts are normally not as sharp as your coin appears.

Let me know. I love counterfeits of this series.



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