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Edited by Cockatoo_coins
05/05/2015 11:03 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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looks good zoom in on the on melborNe
the part between the tail and horse bum
the field between the horsed front and back legs
field in front of kings forehead
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Edited by Cockatoo_coins
05/05/2015 8:06 pm
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Australia
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It looks like a proof strike to me but best for one of the Coin dealers,Walter,Eric etc to confirm.Didn't I read on the Oz Coins site the Proof strike has a nipple on the rider?.
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Serial will tell you if it's a proof or not as he's put a lot
of time and effort into researching them
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Australia
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specimen ones do but not the proofs as far as I know
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Yes that is a type 2
nice find, I believe there to only be 100 of them out there and due to the method in which they were distributed many are impaired.
A lot of old time coin dealers deny their existence but now people are starting to look closely at the issue they are realising that variants exist and are wondering why.
This particular variant is recognised as being a proof strike due to a certain coin with providence being graded and the die markers identified.
Problem is people were displeased with the quality of the proof strike as the increased pressure caused flatness on the wreath detracting from the overall eye appeal so many returned them to the dealer who had obtained them through his contacts and thus they never got proper recognition at the time they were distributed as being a proof strike
This lack of eye appeal was due to the design elements in the coin not handling the proof striking technique (higher pressure, multiple strikes) but the mint considered this "as good as they can get". Furthermore this was during a murky time in Australian coin production when back door deals were made by people in the know (eg New Zealand coin dealer H. G. Williams )so production of a proof coin was not recorded in the official archives.
Note I have argued with several well known and reputable dealers about this coin and they maintain the line that no proof coin exist so I expect this post to elicit a strong response from some people in the community with the most common argument being "its not recorded as being struck so it doesn't exist"
But that argument would mean the 1930 penny doesn't exist, 1921/22 is not an over date but rather a broken die, the mule half penny is fake and incuse 50 is a figment of people imagination.
It does exist, it is out there to be found and will become one of the few pre decimal coins that will greatly appreciate in value in the coming years and current market
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Pillar of the Community
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oh and nice pics btw. could you take one of the riders head, horses head and riders chest (these seem to be the areas that get damaged 1st)
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one of mine   Edited by serial
05/05/2015 9:37 pm
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 here is a close up of the rider, notice how much more detail there is, in hand the flames on the torch seems to be almost 3d |
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Yeah it is a lovely looking coin, now just have to work on getting them widely recognised :)
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I personally have been happy acquiring them cheaply
people can ignore their existence all they want, the proof is in the fact they actually exist
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I have been studying these for years too, I bought a type 1 Proof off TK Rarities in WA
& since then I have bought 2 with the wide flat rim reverse which I believe are both type 2's.
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I believe there to only be 100 of them out there What makes you think that? Not doubting you or anything - just curious. |
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No problem mr t
Unfortunately I cant go into to much details as I am standing on the shoulders of others. Currently some very well researched and notable numismatist are writing about this particular issue and intend to publish shortly. Several months ago they gave me some of their time to discuss their findings in brief and help me learn about the issue and I learnt that certain records have been obtained about when and how this coin came to be. as it is I have already infringed a bit on the in-confidence advice they have provided me however I assure you I have a large degree of confidence in this information. You can however research the coin dealers at the time and read all about H G Williams then you will get an insight into how he operated with gives credence to what I have learnt.
In the mean time I will continue to hunt them down as I have already obtained 2 from dealers either oblivious or in denial about their existence
Ultimatly the lack of clear consise records means that we will never know the exact facts but we can draw learned conclusions with the information we have.
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