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Possible 1957 Penny Error - Upside-Down 7?

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Please feel free to laugh at me if this is crazy...my kids and I are VERY new to coin collecting (as in THIS WEEK), so we're kind of clueless.

My kids and I were sorting through a bag of 5,000 wheats and she came across a penny which appears to have an upside-down 7. Is this a common error? The only other thing it could possibly be is a 1952, but I've compared it to other 2s and it just doesn't look the same. It really looks more like an upsidedown 7. I googled to find it with no luck. I also checked ebay error auctions and didn't see anything similar.

I tried to take a pic to post here, but I can't get a good enough clarity on the date.
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 Posted 12/20/2007  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll guess it's a '52 with the top curl worn off or due to a filled die. Post the pics if you can because it would be interesting nonetheless.

And, what a fun thing to get your kids involved in! Btw, would you have any interest in a ton of wheat pennies to look through. I have several thousand from 1940-58 that I haven't searched through. Email me and I'll provide more details.
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I would highly doubt a true "upside down" 7 could possibly exist. The same master hub was used to create all 1957 master dies, working hubs, and working dies. In other words the 7 is part of themaster deisgn transferred through a porcess to all the coins. Having one single coin with an upside down digit is rather impossible.
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Welcome to the fun of coin collecting and welcome to the forum! This is a cool and education hobby that can be a lot of fun. My seven year old nephew is also new to this hobby and he's learning about the presidents featured on US coins. We get on floor with a bunch of coins between us and go through them together. It's also helped him in learning numbers. Enjoy!
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 Posted 12/21/2007  07:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it looks like this?


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It was most likely caused by a coin rolling machine
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 Posted 12/21/2007  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mahgobbi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I doesn't look like that. It looks just like the 7, but upside-down. I need to read my camera book and figure out how to get a better close up photo like the ones the rest of you post. Even in macro mode I can't seem to get that close up with good clarity.
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Another "serious doubter", that's pretty much impossible out of the mint. It must be post mint damage. Check out my cocked one:



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Thanks for all the feedback. I got a decent pic now...turns out I was just in poor light before. I compared it to the 2 in the 1952 pennies and it just doesn't seem to have the right spacing or shape. I guess it's probably just a hack job? Any input is appreciated. Like I said earlier, I'm very new to this and don't know the first thing about coins...yet!

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OMG....hahahahaha

That's a 1951 with the 1 moved over EXACTLY like my 1941! Man, I thought I had something unique. LOL
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Ok, I'm still confused...so somebody took a 1951, pushed over the 1 to angle it and then somehow attached a stem to the bottom of it which looks like the bottom of a 2 or top of a 7? How the heck do they do that...and they have nothing better to do with their time?

This is actually kind of funny.
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More than likely, the damage to the date was caused by a coin counting machine. They tend to damage the devices and fields in a circular manner on occasion. You will usually see a curved scratch or a letter or number "pushed around" like your example.
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 Posted 12/21/2007  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bilbo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do think I see a '2' underneath the upside-down '7.'

I think the bottom of the '2' is relatively intact and the top of the '2' is partially gone, partially smushed (that's a technical numismatic term) to make the upside-down '7' effect.
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Definitely a 1952, no doubt about it, 100% sure. How?

That year was the ONLY year for the straight leg pointed bottom 5. Look at a 1951 and 1953 and compare them to 1952 and you'll see what I mean if you look at the shape of the 5 on all three coins.
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 Posted 12/21/2007  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Huh! You learn something new everyday. Thanks for the lesson CC.
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