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Here is a look at the 1983 DDR cent listed as DDR-002, WDDR-002, 1DR-002. I saw my first specimen in 1986 at Errorama at the Garden State Numismatic Association and then not another until 2005. CherryPickers' Guide listed all the significant 1983 DDs for many years except this one. This one went unlisted for several editions just because they couldn't locate images or a specimen to photograph. While JT was working on the 5th Edition, Volume 1, he obtained images from me and listed it as FS-802 but like many varieties that he was supplied images of, it did not get in. In 2005 I purchased about 15 and sold off four on ebay that were heavily spotted and kept the rest; ten or so certified as ANACS-65RD or better (and I still have one or two dogs). The spotted ones were bid up to about $80 to $100 each if I remember correctly. They were ugly, ugly, ugly! Here are all four of them.     Billy Crawaford has on in his book. He said his was an AU which he said he sold for many times his book price for a BU. So now I've been sitting on about ten of them for ten years and I have yet to see an MS65 or better come up for sale. Has anybody seen one trade? The ones I have are Stage 2, MDS.    Edited by koinpro
05/10/2015 10:36 pm
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Hi Ken - I've seen a couple posted here over the past year, but I'm thinking the best was an AU coin. Nothing MS as I recall, but it may be worth a search. There may be a willing member who would part with their specimen.
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Boy, am I confused, the pictures of your 83 DDR's look like mechanical, or struck from overused or worn dies. After reading Wexlers articles and Fred Weinberg books, etc. I always look for notched, or sherifs for a true Doubled Die....Im feeling lost and helpless, as I probably dumped DD's thinking they were mechanical non-genuine....I have even emailed photos of what I thought were dd's and got shot down...its almost depressing. I bet I'm not alone. |
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Here is one, look at all the vertical lines under states,and some of the letters...on this 83 p  |
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These DD's are from dies mid way through their life span, but very nice nonetheless.
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Hey tenhulz,I know where you are coming from,it can be pretty frustrating starting out and very confusing-I'm not sure about your quarter pic it's a little blurry for me but if you look at kens DDR's you will also notice the overall size of the devices-machine doubling would reduce the overall size of original device you'll notice on these they are not reduced at all-I had a lot of trouble with these starting out but after finally finding a few there was no mistaking the difference-a true strong doubled die truly jumps out at you |
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Tenhulz,
After looking my images over, I can see were this could be confusing. My coin is a doubled die and yours is not. If you look at the cent, particularly on the lower right corners of NIT of UNITED, the serif on the center bar of the E of CENT and the upper right serif of the N of CENT; you will see the tell-tale notches of a true doubled die. The rest of the doubling is also obvious as hub doubling (doubled die) to the experienced variety specialist but I can see where it could be confusing. Your coin is one that would have confused me in the fist year I began specializing in die varieties but I had a lot of help which made the learning curve fast.
Hang in there and one day you'll say, oh ya now I see wha they were talking about. In the meantime you will run into some deceptive doubling.
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05/10/2015 11:53 pm
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Rackster,
Thanks but I'm not looking to buy one, I have ten of them that grade MS65RD and MS66RD. I've had them for 10 years and considering selling a few. Just trying to see if any kind of price has been established.
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Coop, can you get Tenhulz some comparison images of some tough ones to tell apart? I can really see where his 1983-P quarter would be a tough call for many newer variety guys (and gals). The 1983s are often tough for beginners in this field.
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Thanks for the education, and now I see what you mean on the 83 cents letters after you pointed each out. That helped. Much appreciation for this forum for sure!! I'm not giving up, and know there will be light at the end of the tunnel.
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Bedrock of the Community
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The reverse of the quarter is showing extreme die wear. Note the lines you mentioned. The lines in the field are called die flow lines. It is from a VLDS die. The areas that are catching your eye is the wave of a new Die Deterioration that is moving toward the rim. Note how it only happens on certain devices and not all devices. The ones that have open water towards the rim are the ones making this area. Note the "E P" on the EPU. You see it there and also on the "S" in STATES. If this were hub doubling, then all the devices in that area would show the same amount of doubling. Here is what hub doubling could look like on a Washington quarter:      I don't see hub doubling going on with your quarter, just extreme die wear. On the LDS/VLDS dies they are often hard to tell what was on the dies in the earlier die states. Hope this helps. Edited by coop
05/11/2015 1:58 pm
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Coop, I think you better make it clear that the quarter you are showing is a doubled die -- a 1967 DDR-001 if I'm not mistaken. I think your statements could be confused as describing this coin as DDD. |
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Added a bit of more pointed information. Thanks Ken.
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What do you think of this image Ken?  |
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Coop, it looks good to me  |
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Ken: I took your two images of the EPU and put them together.
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