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 Posted 05/13/2015  01:56 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add simone1978 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
a dear friend I moved this coin of 1792, in my opinion is not authentic, according to you?
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large cents weren't produced until 1793, so it must be fake or an altered date
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 Posted 05/13/2015  03:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add publius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a "Liberty Parent of Science & Industry" pattern of 1792, which is the correct date, or else a fake of one.
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This is a very bad copy of a Birch Cent. The Birch Cent was a pattern produced in 1792 by Robert Birch. Only a handful were ever made. There is no way that this is authentic in my opinion.
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While the OP's piece does appear to be a copy, it's not as bad as others I've seen.

Here's an article about an original 1792 Birch Cent sold by Stacks: http://www.bellenews.com/2015/03/21...on-march-26/

Here's one that sold for $2.5 million in January! http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...1-story.html
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 Posted 05/13/2015  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add simone1978 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In fact, as I had imagined it is a pair of a rare coin thanks for the answers Simone
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 Posted 05/13/2015  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fuzzy: That is really irresponsible of you to give people bad advice if you do not know what you are talking about.

Did you even look at the picture?
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 Posted 05/13/2015  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fuzzy stated,
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large cents weren't produced until 1793,

That is correct.
This one is a pattern coin.
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Interesting. Not a terribly bad copy, or whatever it is.
Per RedBook only 9 patterns are known of the cent Without a Silver Center of the 1792 proposed coinage, of which this appears to be a copy.
By comparing to images of known examples, there are differences in engraving and style, but wouldn't it be great if this was real?
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Uh, Fuzzy was spot on. Federal Large Cents were not produced until 1793. Before that, it was proposed patterns.
This is a copy of the J-1 Silver Center Cent. It is not genuine unfortunately.

Genuine:
http://www.coinfacts.com/patterns/1..._judd_01.htm
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Fuzzy: That is really irresponsible of you to give people bad advice if you do not know what you are talking about.

Did you even look at the picture?


Obviously he looked at the pic, because he answered correctly. What's your excuse?
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 Posted 05/13/2015  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What's your excuse?
How about, open mouth and insert foot. Been there done that.
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Here is a little helpful information on the Web.

http://images.goldbergauctions.com/...ng=1&sale=28
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 Posted 05/14/2015  04:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add simone1978 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks much like the currency of Goldberg but are not sure it is real
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if it can be of help the weight is 4-4.5 grams and a diameter of 22 mm the edge is knurled
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 Posted 05/14/2015  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You guys are kidding right? He did not answer correctly.

"large cents weren't produced until 1793, so it must be fake or an altered date"

So just because it is dated earlier than 1793, it MUST BE A FAKE... THIS IS NOT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT.

If you look at the pic, you can see that it is a copy of a 1792 pattern cent.

My problem is the "if, then statement". Yes, it is a copy but it is not a "fake large cent" just because it is dated 1792.
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