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Pillar of the Community
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Mr. Potters post has inspired me to post this one. I need to send this one in but until then here is my best dime so far. Great clash and a DDO Hot Lips too.    |
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I have a few 64's similar, but weaker clash, nice dime.
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Pillar of the Community
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Very nice! I hope these Hot Lips coins don't all turn out to be related to the clashes although that aint all bad.
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Pillar of the Community
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BJ has had this one in hand and felt the lips were not part of the clash
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The lips could only be a counterclash if that's how they originated, which would make it all the more interesting. The leaves would preclude that in this case, though. Equally interesting is what looks like "chamfering" at the rear of the head and neck - wonder if the clash forced some sort of die subsidence? There's nothing to clash there like that.
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Pillar of the Community
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Very interesting coin! Did you find it or buy it? Very cool coin.
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Pillar of the Community
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I have had this coin for years. I guess I both found it and bought it . It came in a large lot of rolls from a dealer. Someone had put together date rolls of cents through quarters from circulation . These with some bank rolls the dealer saved out for me because he knew I would want them.. I think the area at the back of the neck is a result of the opposite die's metal bulging up. This clash is from I don't know how many individual clashes. Quite a bit of metal was displaced.
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Pillar of the Community
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SsDd, I realize that a Counter-Clash would be the most logical type of clash that would be possible but I'm just thinking out loud and wondering why all I have seen so far have some evidence or suggestion of clash. Here is the 1953-S that I featured in Numismatic News. It shows strong clash on the bridge of the nose:  Here is the 1955-S I featured in NN. Heavy abrasion on bridge of nose:  Here is the 1964-D I featured in NN. Note heavy die abrasion on bridge of nose. (Image by John Wexler)  Here is a 1982-P No FG Kennedy 50c with heavy vestages of clash on obverse and reverse (not shown), plus Hot Lips:  Normal Clash Marks do not preclude Counter-Clash Marks as can be seen here:  More of the 1974-D Dime:    Edited by koinpro
05/16/2015 08:35 am
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Working today, Ken, but I'm going to noodle this while I'm there. I wonder if the presence of clashing on a die creates a situation where the clash marks become "positives" which encourage a new planchet to slide a bit during the strike, forming a sub-family of Machine Doubling not possible without the clash. A normal die being all negatives would tend to lock a planchet into place, I think; the moment metal starts flowing into the devices they hold the planchet still for the rest. |
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Interesting, I recently posted a 1976 dimewith possible DDO at the back of the head that showes a clash and two 1953 ( not the S ) hot lips dimes , one unc. the other cir. that I beleave show evidence of being clashed. Hmmm, where there is smoke........ |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Here is a dime overlay.  I think this is a hub doubled, doubled die With a sever clash. The lips are too strong for this to be a counter clash. Note the roundness of the lips. A clash would only affect the fields. The lips are part of the deeper devices in the die. Edited by coop
05/16/2015 10:17 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Coop, that has been my position on these from the start especially on the 1964-D (shown below) but there seems to be a tie-in so for to clashes. I'm just wondering why or what it is.  Image uses with permission of John Wexler. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Probably we would need to see examples of a few EDS coins from the same die to see if it was there from the start or not? But I feel the only way the design could be exactly transferred is from hub misplacement. The other day I noticed a DDO on a 1939 Nickel and had three examples from Heritagecoins/com and wondered why the doubling seemed different.  Looking again, the first two images were taken with the light at 1:00. The last image at 8:00. Not how the doubling looks slightly different? But the glare has blocked/washed out some the doubling and enhanced some of the doubling in different areas of the bust. From the die wear you can see they are from the same die. Edited by coop
05/16/2015 11:23 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Coop,
I with you on that but so many with clashes as of late bugs me.
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