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Pillar of the Community
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With Silver prices the way they are, and the economy and dollar the way it is, I've been buying a lot of ASE's. If I come across a local Dealer that has 90% silver I buy it all, if it is priced right. Most times I haggle the price down by saying "give me your best price and I'll buy it all". My friends at work laugh at me when I get excited about silver prices going down. They don't understand that I'm in buying mode not selling mode 
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote:I have nothing against bars & rounds but from what I have read on the net and on stacker forums they don't sell as quick as say ASE's and US Junk Silver would do in case you have to liquidate quickly. I agree that when you're talking about the secondary private seller/buyer market than something like ASE's or Canadian maples or other quality silver rounds will sell faster and at a higher premium over spot than say a generic silver bar or round. However, and I don't know what your personal situation is whether you have access to a local precious metal buyer or not, I am trying to load up on cheap generic bars and rounds because you can get more ounces for your dollar and ounces is all that seem to matter to my local merchants. I've asked them about what they look for when selling back my silver to them like if they're going to buy a englehard or sunshine mint round at a premium over OPM/NTR/Provident bars. The premiums are definitely different when you purchase these bars, but I've been told that when you come back to sell them to the local dealers then silver is just silver and that goes for everything. ASE's, Philharmonics, Kookaburras, libertads. Even early silver like circulated Barber coinage they'll only pay spot for after they cherry-pick the dates/mints but if you've ever tried to buy a roll of silver washingtons vs. a roll of silver barbers you definitely have to pay a premium then. However, I also think it's wise to treat your silver stash just like any other personal investments: Diversify. Don't just have all your silver in generic bars and rounds because you may miss investment potential in other areas. You gave a good example with the silver pandas. Very popular series internationally that seem to be appreciating. I have silver Kookaburras that I bought 6 years ago at $3 over spot that you can't get anymore for less than $45 apiece. The America The Beautiful 5 oz rounds are a good example now. When they are released yeah you have to pay 3-4$ over spot for them, but many of them now have $60-$70 dollar premiums for them and some like the Acadia National Park and Hawaii Volcano Nation Park ones sell for over $300 when their silver worth is only $80! TLDR: Personal opinion: Diversify your silver stash. Buy cheap generic silver that's easy to liquidate to local precious metal merchants and buy collectible world rounds that may possibly appreciate.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Today would be a great day to buy while spot is still sub-$16.
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Pillar of the Community
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589 Posts |
@ Elimist, Are there any other series besides the Panda's that are appreciating and the mint years if possible?
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Moderator
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Quote: @ Elimist, Are there any other series besides the Panda's that are appreciating and the mint years if possible?
Note his disclaimer using the words "may possibly appreciate." What we're talking about here are things which have no intrinsic value above the base metal; any "premium" is merely a function of the weight which collectors assign to it. When value is purely subjective, concrete assumptions regarding the future are foolhardy.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yeah exactly. If we as coin collectors could accurately predict what's going to deliver us financial returns in the future then we would all be rich. It's more of a gamble with something like relatively inexpensive modern coins where you really don't know what's going to trend or not it's just educated guessing much like trading stocks. That's why most collectors will tell you don't get into this hobby for investment potential. Enjoy collecting for what it is and what it means to you. With that said I also don't think there is anything wrong with being financially conscience when coin collecting. After all we are dealing with items that frequently have intrinsic and extrinsic value and those factors can give us either financial losses or gains. I find it just as interesting to buy and love an old piece of history in my collection as I do trying to make wise purchases and potentially profiting. Personally, I would just try to find what is trending and see what you're comfortable with trying to invest in and CCF can be a big help with that. Look at the two biggest threads in the Modern Coins section right now. They're about the 5oz ATB bullion coins and the March of Dimes collector set. The ATB coins have been coming out since 2011 and many of them now sell at high premiums. They're popular, low mintage's, they have a track record of appreciating, and you have a whole forum that represents a fraction of the coin collecting world talking about them for 163 thread pages. I'd say drop the money and buy some as they're released, which they will be until 2021 maybe longer. I think the Blue Ridge Parkway one coming up next is a good one to pick up. It's a large and popular park that many people are familiar with and the design on the coin is very attractive. You have your evidence there that this might be a wise series to invest in and if it doesn't go your way then you still have a 5oz puck of silver that will always be worth some monetary cash value. The March of Dimes Commemorative is also getting speculative investors talking almost exclusively because of the two dimes that are being minted for the set. They are going to be low mintage keys to the Roosevelt series and since they will be only released in the sets then they will most likely warrant a premium. Maybe only for the first five years or maybe not for another 10 years but I think there is solid evidence there that getting a hold of some of these dimes early may be a good investment. Again, this is only speculating and like superdave said the numismatic value of these coins are purely subjective. Nobody can make concrete assumptions, but maybe just better assumptions. TLDR: My opinion on what might be good gambles when bullion investing right now are America The Beautiful 5 oz silver rounds and the March of Dimes Special Silver Set.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks guys for the advice. Truthfully, all this future value in coins is really going to my children. I am in my forties and they will be getting any collection I have once I retire (if I can) whether its numismatic or bullion but as always I appreciate all of you.
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Valued Member
United States
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I just have to wonder if its better to buy generic silver rounds and bars rather than mint silver pieces. It just seesm that the premium on the mint pieces will make it tough to realize an acceptable gain. At least with the generic bars with a minimum price over spot you can track the value easier.
Is my thinking wrong here?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This story is about two months old now, but quite enlightening as to where silver has been going. For some of us old enough to remember the Hunt Brothers attempt to corner the silver market, will remember they did it with silver options, this grab involves physical acquisition of masses of silver. Very interesting and not too political I hope. http://seekingalpha.com/article/310...r-in-history
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Just think of this. Silver could go up, up, up. Or it could go down, down, down. Or it could do both. Best solution. Don't get involved with Silver.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I purchased silver a few months before it took a dump, I rolled over one of my IRA's and as of now my investment tanked by over 50% so I am not happy today about silver prices. The only saving grace is I Coin Roll Hunt half dollars and have accumulated a nice hoard of junk silver for pennies on the dollar. I have the worst luck when it comes to making large silver purchases. Thinking about pulling the trigger and making another purchase to make up that 50% drop but not sure which to purchase this time. I bought those Canadian Arctic Fox 1.5 oz coins before prices fell. Bullion, Numismatic, or Junk Silver coins, what to do? How many years will it take for silver to get back to $35.00 and ounce?
"LOVE THE HUNT!"
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