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1894 Ho (Hermosillo) 8 Reales

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A just acquired example that, although I actually already had two of them, I wanted to put up just because it's apparently uncirculated and hasn't been dipped or otherwise cleaned, a combination which for this genre is not too often the case (which is why I now have three, you just shouldn't turn down any in this sort of condition whenever they present themselves).

I've included a closeup shot of the eagle's claw grasping the snake - this is where abrasion and flattening seem to first occur whenever these have entered commerce, even if only briefly, and is the key focal point for identifying examples that just miss mint state status. This specimen exhibits none such.

You may notice that there're some black spots present, but my judgment is that they'd be better off left alone.

This is regarded as a "common" issue, but according to records for 1894, of the 29,174,694 struck by all the mints in that year, a mere 504,100 came from Hermosillo. I'd remark that such a production figure for a Morgan dollar would qualify same as a key date, and as such a rather high value coin in mint state, and I'd add that the Mexican silver 8 reales were not stored as were Morgans so as to have so good a chance to survive in such pristine condition. So I judge this to be a pretty scarce piece, despite what the books say. Its relatively reasonable valuation is more a function of lower demand as compared to similarly available Morgans, rather than the absolute supply of either. It's part of why I collect these, as real rarities in this series remain affordable.

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Since I'd mentioned them, here's the duo I already had. I evaluate them as AU details, as both have hairlines in the fields around the eagles. That's indicative of their having been wiped, which unfortunately in general is a rather too often encountered degrading of this "Cap & Rays" type; I've commented before that some specimens really look as if they have had a Brillo® pad taken to them, although neither of these are quite that bad.

From what I can see, all three I'm showing here appear to have been struck with the same die pair.

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It's indeed superb ! It has a very nice and sharp struck, plus a gem conservation - which as you note is pretty scarce for those.
I'm just a bit worried by the green color, don't you have some PVC there ?

I totally agree, it seems Mexican collectors tend to clean their coins, it's hard to get pristine ones . I've seen that on many types, earlier ones as well :/
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One last tidbit regarding this issue, relating to Heritage having auctioned off one of these in 2012, see:

http://www.coinfactswiki.com/wiki/M..._FG_8_reales

Note the almost embarrassed disclaimer with respect to the price that was realized, and I concur that what the winning bidder paid does seem artifically high. It goes to show what can happen when there's spirited competition between at least two people who both feel they just absolutely have to have a particular specimen.
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I am also concerned that there seems to be PVC green contamination which should be removed with acetone (soak) to prevent possible corrosion.

They are nice - probably not identical dies however since the dies were hubbed.

The amount paid at auction demonstrates the artificially inflated prices paid when people seek perfection. Your first coin is for me as nice an example as the coin sold at auction. Nice full strike - no detrimental scratches. I attach no significant added value to any number over MS.
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I am also concerned that there seems to be PVC green contamination which should be removed with acetone (soak) to prevent possible corrosion.


I can see how it may appear there might be green gunk at the edges of some of the devices, but the photos are deceiving in this regard. In hand, there's nothing to merit the additinal handling that an acetone soak would entail. However, in looking at the coin under high magnification and good lighting tonight, I was able to see some hairlines in the fields on the eagle side. This'd quite possibly grade "Uncirculated - Details" so I'm very disappointed. I paid about what I had for the other two combined because I thought it was that much better, but it looks as if that's not the case. I could return it, but I think I'll just eat it, or maybe use it as a little leverage on the next deal. Unlike Morgans, these are so tough to find in true, unimpaired mint state.
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