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Washington Proof Reverse Bonanza Find!

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Recently greysheet had a 2-part article about proof reverse quarters from 1956 - 1964. I hadn't heard of these before, and of course my brain first read "reverse proof" instead of "proof reverse."

You can find some better info online, but the short story is that from 1956 through 1964 the Philadelphia mint finished out their annual orders by using proof dies on business strike coins. It seems the mint figured it was a way to get by while ordering fewer dies. There are a few diagnostics to pick out the proof reverse die (or the Type II reverse or the Type B reverse).

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The point of the arrows on the eagle's perch are much sharper and the leaf is raised above the arrowhead. The leaves below the perch have the proof definition. The easiest diagnostic is the space between E and S in "STATES". In the regular die, E and S touch, in the proof version, there is a gap between the letters.

After reading the article, I started keeping an eye out for the Type B reverses. I bought a 1964 Type B reverse in a PCGS holder graded MS-64. 1964 is one of the more common years (and there are websites that track the relative rarity and value). I was toying with the idea of putting together a set at some point.

Then at the LCS appeared a Wayte Raymond board displaying the Type I and Type II Reverses.

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The board featured a sample of each reverse, then a complete set of quarters with each reverse for each year (1956-1964). When I saw the set, I was skeptical and quickly check the reverses to make sure everything was accurate as labeled.

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And it was! A complete set in a neat vintage holder - what a find. Plus, it liberated me from assembling this set I was toying with. I could pick this up and move on to other pursuits.

Now, you may be looking at those pictures, and you notice that, unfortunately, some of those quarters are the victims of old cleaning. And that's true. But I forgot to tell you something...

The board actually has TWO complete sets of 1956-1964 quarters Type I and Type II!

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The second set is in much better condition. What a winner! The folks at the LCS found this piece intriguing because they didn't think Wayte Raymond kept producing boards up to 1964. The lettering in the lower right seems to be done by hand instead of printed. The provenance is a mystery.
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Not a day goes by that I don't learn something on CCF.

Any idea if the type II's are any more scarce than the type I's?

Thanks for the info and photos, specksynder! Nice score.

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Really awesome set to see. Just checked my 1 1964 P quarter, normal. Thanks for the diagram.
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Type II are more scarce, they are only found on Philly coins. They seem to have been minted at the end of the production run, which (if I recall correctly) was when mint sets were assembled in those days, so mint sets often have Type II coins.
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Aren't they're 3 varieties of this? I remember seeing something about the different reverse quarter designs. Maybe it might have been something else.
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............and the 1956 Type B Reverse is the prize of the bunch at higher grades.
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my brain first read "reverse proof" instead of "proof reverse."


Same, actually. I thought the title of this topic was "Washington Reverse Proof Bonanza Find" and I thought you had a rare one of a kind reverse proof quarter or something!
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06/23/2015 09:37 am
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I have to admit. I also thought that.
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I always have a hard time remembering these. Nice write up with visual aid like this will make it easier to remember.

Appreciate your sharing such a cool find. Thanks, Doug.

edit: replaced right with write, now I think thats right. Thanks, Doug.
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Quote:
Aren't they're 3 varieties of this?

There are for 1964. They changed the rev hub in 1965 for the clad quarters and some were used to strike 1964 quarters. I do't know if there are 1965 quarters with the Type 1 or type II reverse.
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Interesting story. I didn't know about these varieties. Thanks for sharing.
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Very interesting post

I knew about the type II .. or type B reverses.
Never thought about doing a set of them .. but might
be something for me to try ... one day.

I too .. really like how that holder looks
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