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New Member
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Hello Everyone, I was just overlooking the reverse of an 1883-P Morgan I recently picked up and noticed a possible variety distinction. I just wanted to know if anyone has seen it before. I can't find anything on it. A raised mark appears coming off of the "I" in United, and it is fairly obvious (even to the naked eye). Just looking for some further insight from other collectors. Thank You!! *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Welcome to CCF madzen23. I'm having trouble seeing what's going on with that anomaly you've pointed out. Any change of getting a good close up of that area and an image of the obverse wouldn't hurt, either. 1883 P is all about doubled date digits for the most part and if you were on the VAMworld site looking for a match you probably noticed many new discoveries in 2014 and even in 2015.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That appears to be a large scratch OR die Crack which can help to confirm which VAM variety it is but is not what will define it. We need good cropped pics of both sides plus clear closeups of the date & mint mark   
Edited by Cascade 06/25/2015 8:25 pm
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Moderator
 United States
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 I moved this thread to the section for VAM's to reach a more specific audience 
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New Member
 United States
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Thank you for the prompt replies!! I'm doing my best to get a better image for you. The scanner seems to do a decent job. Hopefully these will be better. I'm including the Obverse as well. I am also trying VAM World.  
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New Member
 United States
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I am getting out my DSLR. I'm sure that will produce some sharper images for you! Thanks again for the patience and assistance.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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It sure looks like a die gouge from your scanned image, but better images from your DSLR will certainly help identify the die pair.
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Welcome to Coin Community, madzen23. An interesting coin for your first thread here.  There are things about the coin which make me worry slightly about its' authenticity. That said, all of those things are within the margin for photographic error (especially with the coin still behind the mylar of the 2x2) of these images so we won't worry about that yet. The mark has every appearance of a die gouge, and if we stipulate that the mark is raised it becomes the default theory. It wouldn't be the first very similar mark known on Morgans. However, to the best of my knowledge it's not known on any 1883-P's (understanding I haven't looked at every single one of the 40+ known VAMs for the date). The fact that one isn't recorded is no guarantee of anything, of course. This coin could be an unknown die state of a known VAM. So we will await the dSLR play.  I'm particularly interested in what looks like weakness of strike in the wings and front periphery of the hair.
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New Member
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New Member
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Please let me know if I can provide anything to make it easier to judge. It certainly appears to be raised and thus a die gouge, under magnification. But I defer to the experts on this one. Definitely and interesting specimen. Thank you again for all the help!
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New Member
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Valued Member
United States
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The surfaces of the reverse makes it look cast. Were there extremely rusted dies in 1883?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looks cast, albeit an above average one, with all that pitting and the black remnants of the mould around the devices but let's wait for SD to confirm
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Valued Member
United States
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I don't understand the neck feathers to chest feathers transition either. Fairly sharp at neck, but nothing at chest.
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New Member
 United States
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If there are angles that will make the analysis easier, please let me know. I'm working on getting a better lens, for some better quality close up images. The early images in the post look drastically different, as they were taken in a flatbed scanner (fairly cheap HP). 
Edited by madzen23 06/26/2015 3:00 pm
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