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A Few More 1 Cent Split Planchets

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Here are a few more split planchets to look at. From the same error coin lot I bought a few weeks ago.

Can someone tell me how to tell the difference between a split before strike and a split after strike? Obviously 2 of the coins are split before strike but the one with no obverse is what?!? And how do you tell? Thanks.



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Do you have the weight of the coins?

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No I don't have the weight of them. I need to do that. I will take em down to the LCS this weekend and post the weights later.
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I would say that the first two are split pre-strike. They both have weak strikes so I expect the planchet to be thinner before the strike. I'm not sure about the last one.
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It is the uniface one that I am asking about.

If it was split before strike then it would have been struck on top of another planchet in the collar to create the uniface.

If it was split after strike, then it would have stuck normally and then split. That means the other half is floating around somewhere or it never made it out of the mint.

So can anyone tell me how to tell the difference between the 2 types?

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All split before the strike... the uniface one means that it was sitting on top of another planchet, when struck. the ghosting you see is from the hammer die, and flow of metal.
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Can someone show me an example of a split after strike?
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SPP, there's an example in error-ref where the split after strike has ghosting and striation lines too. Is there another way to differentiate?
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I think the 1975 was split when it was struck (unless it is full weight). The striations on the other coins are indicative of being split before being struck.


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...the uniface one means that it was sitting on top of another planchet, when struck...


That's also seems feasible. I'm not sure it would be possible to tell the difference if it was struck with a full planchet underneath or just 1/2 a planchet underneath. It does seem like it was a hard strike & there is some evidence of finning.
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If it is split, after the strike, then the split pieces should be fully struck on the outer sides...

Here is one split, after the strike.

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For ghosting on split planchets, see also Zonad's 1956 clamshell lamination (which is also like a split planchet) here:

https://goccf.com/t/76634&whichpage=3
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SPP thanks for explanation on the split planchets, I can follow the flow of the metal
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