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 Posted 09/08/2015  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pyrbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the reverse of this dime is very similar to the reverse of the cent you posted.

The obverse of the cent shows the design rim (which is the edge of the obverse die) from about 8:00 to 1:00. The rest of the rim is finning.

The reverse of the cent shows a rim made up of finning. I think I see a faint hint of the design at the 3:00 position but the rest of the design rim is obscured by the grease.

I see the same effect on the dime. The reverse rim is from the finning. The design rim from the die is obscured by the grease. I think I see a hint of it in one of the photos at the 11:00 position. But the coin seems to have some toning making the softer detail harder to see.
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 Posted 09/08/2015  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it just me or is the edge , with the reverse up , sloping like a Reese's cup.
If so someone did a heck of a vise job.
Then again it may just be my monitor.
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 Posted 09/09/2015  04:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The more I reread this post the more I am . I withdraw my opinion about it being a Magician's coin. I will wait to see what the pros say. Do we need Mike on this?
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 Posted 09/09/2015  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could a pic be taken of the reeded edge from the side to show the profile and see if the edge actually angles out
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 Posted 09/09/2015  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would agree with the majority, who've concluded that this is some type of post-strike damage. The reverse design appears to be flattened as well as partially removed. The appearance is unlike any "grease strike" I've come across. The reverse "rim" does not appear to be a fin and is too thin to be the design rim. The obverse face is warped. While this could conceivably be the result of Die Deterioration, I suspect it's another symptom of post-strike damage. The obverse also shows no evidence of the increased effective striking pressure that would ordinarily accompany a grease strike this extensive.
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 Posted 09/09/2015  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pyrbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Mike. I appreciate you taking the time to help. It's always a learning experience.
Sorry Dcnw1983, I didn't mean to mislead you but I thought this idea was possible and needed to be explored before you sold it as a damaged coin.
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 Posted 09/09/2015  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcnw1983 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you everyone for your input. Has certainly been educational.
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 Posted 09/09/2015  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with John1. It is half of a magic prop. PSD
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 Posted 09/10/2015  01:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did we ever get a weight on this thing? I'm still leaning towards a lathe job but need the weight!
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 Posted 09/10/2015  03:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I mentioned, the lathe line are raised on the coin and are circular. This coin is not either.
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I finally got a scale that measures in tenths of grams. The dime weighs 2.47 grams. I guess that is almost full weight? Does that then support the magic coin theory or the grease theory?
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Does the obverse exhibit an exaggerated depression east of the portrait? Or is that just a result of lighting in the photo? Also, below the portrait is some other damage. It makes me think the coin was place under a table leg to level the table.

It's an interesting little oddity.
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 Posted 09/14/2015  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcnw1983 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps. It is wider than a regular dime and definitely thinner but weighs the same. Something must have flattened it but left the rim intact.
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When I said vise job I felt the coin was sandwiched between a circular flat faced object at the reverse that was slightly smaller in diameter than the dime and a more forgiving surface on the obverse. The reverse object was pressed into the coin, flattening the devices , and causing the the edge to fin and spread . The obverse was somewhat preserved by the more forgiving surface it was against.
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