Any Foreign Gold Authentication Experts Out There?

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stinkycheese1 New Member United States 6 Posts	Posted 01/11/2008 11:52 pm Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone can determine if this coin is geniune. I'm pretty sure its geniune. I bought it from a reputable shop in phoenix called coin gallery You can see their website here: External link removed ,,please review the forum rules on posting outside links by new members ,,Metalman I then called and asked if it was counterfeit if I could return it. They told me there was no need to return it because they were sure it was geniune, and told me to save myself a trip and not go by there for them to check it out. I asked what it takes to work there since I wanted to work there and they said it takes good grading and good Counterfeit Detection skills. I can't imagine a shop like this knowingly selling a counterfeit. Someone told me to check the edge for well defined letters. The same person who told me this looked at one of the edges and told me it looks OK. Also, to my knowledge not many angels were counterfeited. I'd appreciate any help in determining this. Thank you ! Kevin Image: GoldLuckyAngel2.jpg 101.16 KB Image: GoldLuckyAngelEdge.jpg 43.26 KB Report this Post to the Staff

gxseries Pillar of the Community Australia 3831 Posts	Posted 01/11/2008 11:57 pm Question is what made you think it's a counterfeit. Do post the obverse and reverse as well. Edges are just one part of the story. Welcome to coincommunity. My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseries My numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htm Regularly updated at least once a month. Report this Post to the Staff
GO Moderator United States 6563 Posts	Posted 01/12/2008 12:02 am you buy it from online or in the actual shop? chances are very strong it's real. They bought that coin in from someone so ya know they checked everything themselves for authenticity. and the last thing a local coin shop wants to do is pawn off a known counterfeit to someone else. yes please post some obv and rev pics ple ASE Report this Post to the Staff
stinkycheese1 New Member United States 6 Posts	Posted 01/12/2008 12:14 am NOTE: I took the photo here under a light in my house, so the enviorment is pretty dark. Also, the obverse is a bit blurry. Sorry about that. I can take better photos in the sunlight outside tommorrow.Thanks again for the help! Darn it, if I could just figure out how to quote people. Yes I bought it from a local coin shop. It seems like a reputable place with people who know their stuff. I don't know if ive ever actually seen a counterfeit gold coin in hand, but I do study them. I have PCGS Guide to Counterfeit Detection and also Bill Fivaz's books on gold counterfeits. I looked at the coin under magnification for tooling and depressions but I couldn't find any. But then again I'm not an expert on authentication. But I still have no reason to believe its counterfeit. Someone just told me to look at the edge and I noticed on some of the letters on the edge looked worn. So that's why it got my suspicioun. Also some of the stars were cut off on the coin. You can see it in the images. I don't think its anything to worry about though. Image: ANGELOBVERSE.jpg 95.01 KB Image: ANGELREVERSE.jpg 59.71 KB Here's a picture I took at in sunlight. It is not double struck that is just a blurry picture. I'll take some more tommorrow. Image: New20FRANCS.jpg 57.6 KB Edited by stinkycheese1 01/12/2008 12:20 am Report this Post to the Staff
halfabustisbetter Pillar of the Community United States 1984 Posts	Posted 01/12/2008 12:18 am Inasmuch as I can tell from pictures on a website (and I usually can), I'd say that's genuine. Report this Post to the Staff
stinkycheese1 New Member United States 6 Posts	Posted 01/12/2008 12:21 am Thanks halfabustisbetter! Now if I could just figure out how to quote people! Heh Does the edge look OK? Is it normal for some of the letters to appear worn on the edge? That was my only main concern. Also some of stars are off. But someone else told me that happened on some bust coinage as well so that isn't a problem. Edited by stinkycheese1 01/12/2008 12:22 am Report this Post to the Staff
Metalman Pillar of the Community United States 7123 Posts	Posted 01/12/2008 12:32 am To quote a post or portion of a post ,,select reply to topic from the tool bar above the dialogue box click on copy and paste the text you wish to quote between the quote brackets and post as usual . We discourage the quoting of entire posts ,or threads just quote the part that is pertinent to your point . Report this Post to the Staff
gxseries Pillar of the Community Australia 3831 Posts	Posted 01/12/2008 12:37 am That is a relatively common gold coin. If you are still annoyed whether if it's a fake or not, first buy a gram scale accurate to at least 0.1g, better if you can find 0.01g. Chances are, if it fits to specification, it's genuine. There is almost little reason why counterfeiters would counterfeit something that is relatively common and try their best to match all specification, from dimension to weight content. My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseries My numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htm Regularly updated at least once a month. Report this Post to the Staff
stinkycheese1 New Member United States 6 Posts	Posted 01/12/2008 12:39 am quote: To quote a post or portion of a post Thanks! Report this Post to the Staff
stinkycheese1 New Member United States 6 Posts	Posted 01/12/2008 12:48 am gxseries, thank you for your reply. I'm not really that worried anymore, but my friend has a 0.1 g scale I can use his when he gets back from vacation. I'll try it anyway. Thanks again! Report this Post to the Staff
1sikevo Pillar of the Community United States 1130 Posts	Posted 01/12/2008 01:50 am Hi Stinky. Found your way here too ? I thought the guys at CS already determined that it was probably real ? Edited by 1sikevo 01/12/2008 01:57 am Report this Post to the Staff
stinkycheese1 New Member United States 6 Posts	Posted 01/12/2008 01:58 am Hi 1sikevo Yes I guess. I'm a new member here. Used to post here alot. Good forum it is. Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 01/14/2008 1:48 pm Stinky, didn't you get enough advice on the NGC forum that it was real? And I do believe it is real as well. I never answered the question you asked about the edge. The edge lettering on coins often takes quite a beating even on Unc coins so weak or rounded lettering that looks worn is not unusual. Report this Post to the Staff
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