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Sweden's New Banknotes

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 Posted 11/20/2015  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add X2an to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, still none. No 'C' either. I'm starting to doubt notes with 'A' prefix actually exist, there were none to be seen at the exhibit on release day a the Riksbank's office as well.
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I'm starting to doubt notes with 'A' prefix actually exist


That could be possible.
Or, the notes are laying in the backs of the vaults (and the ''B'' have been in the front sections) and will come out later. Definitely, a thing to look out for. ''A'' banknotes might (will?) fetch a premium with collectors.

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 Posted 11/24/2015  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Enlil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The design is not bad, but the lack of colour diversity is disappointing.
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 Posted 11/24/2015  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are these notes poly?
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 Posted 11/25/2015  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add X2an to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The design is not bad, but the lack of colour diversity is disappointing.


Agreed, that's why I like the 50 the most with a blue background tone on an otherwise all-orange design.


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Are these notes poly?


Reading published official documents this was discussed, but was turned down in favour of safety reasons.

In Sweden (and I can imagine parts of the Eurozone) cash delivery isn't made with armoured trucks, but rather "disguised" normal vans that have a discolouration ink that spreads all over the notes if broken into. The ink sticks to cotton paper, but rinses off on polymer notes. Shame, because I'd really love to use polymer notes.

The vans still have their company name (Loomis is a common sight) but people still attempt to break into them.
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In Sweden (and I can imagine parts of the Eurozone) cash delivery isn't made with armoured trucks, but rather "disguised" normal vans that have a discolouration ink that spreads all over the notes if broken into.


Here in Germany, both methods are being used. Supermarkets usually have cash delivered by (lightly) armoured trucks. But ''normal'' trucks are also being used especially when huge amounts are being transported.
Another example, when Lithuania entered the Eurozone the Euro banknotes where brought there by normal/disguided trucks.

Yes, ''ink bombs'' are being used here in Germany, too. During transport and in ATMs. Much too the chagrin of the Police however, not all ATMs have that safety device.
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11/25/2015 04:53 am
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 Posted 11/29/2015  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add X2an to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And today, I can proudly present the lastest acquisition of the new 1000 SEK note

Sweden's-New-Banknotes

Sweden's-New-Banknotes

My lead that exchange offices have these was right. After hearing that someone paid with these at yesterday's coin show in Stockholm I overheard that they were foreigners who payed with these and thus had exchanged currencies.
That does it for this year's new cash gathering quest. All four are presented in this topic with their respective stories of how I got them.

A bit of a circulation update:
The new 20 is now "oficially" common, it's found in change a bit less frequently as the old 20 but is definitely everywhere now.

The new 50 is still kind of unheard of. I have still only got one but I've seen just about a few in active circulation.

The new 200 is still unusual to encounter, but they are circulating. As late as friday I saw someone paying with one and the cashier didn't even flinch.

Lastly the 1000, as always, is invisible to circulation.
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By the way, any new notes found whose letter prefix is an ''A''?


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I'm starting to doubt notes with 'A' prefix actually exist


My false statement, after casually looking on the Riksbank's webpage I find some specimen images of banknotes whose prefix is 'A'.

Sweden's-New-Banknotes
Sweden's-New-Banknotes


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Or, the notes are laying in the backs of the vaults (and the ''B'' have been in the front sections) and will come out later. Definitely, a thing to look out for. ''A'' banknotes might (will?) fetch a premium with collectors.


I think this is the case. I'm very sure they'll pop up, however I'm not too sure about the potential collector's premium. I'll have to check tradera from time to time
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 Posted 11/30/2015  02:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redlock to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the update. Very interesting information.

Off topic: I haven't found a new 20 Euro banknote (issued 25-Nov-2015) yet
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It's interesting the differences between Norway's and Sweden's approach to what seems to be a policy of eliminating the 1000-kr banknote. Norway simply stopped producing new ones in 2004 & 2005. The numbers of note in circulation is slowly dwindling.

NORWAY (millions of pieces) 1000NOK banknotes
2006 25.8
2007 26.2
2008 25.4
2009 24.4
2010 23.1
2011 21.7
2012 21.2
2013 19.8
2014 18.7
2015 17.9

Sweden did something much different. In 2005 they designed a slight variation of the 1000-kr banknote with the brand new security feature of motion (a moving image in the striped band) used on the new 1,000-krona. This technology was also chosen for the new US color $100 banknote. But Swedenonly printed about 10 million new notes (compared to roughly 45 million circulating at the time). As the old notes were destroyed they reduced the supply to 21.4 million by the end of 2012. Then they declared that the old notes would be invalid at the end of 2013. They reduced the supply to under 10 million by then.

The government is being even more aggressive with the new series. After 4 months they have only introduced 1.228 million of the new 1000-kr notes, and there remain only 2.697 million of the 1000-kr old notes. As Sweden has almost 10 million people, it seems pointless to have a denomination with such low circulation. One would assume it would make more sense simply to abolish the denomination. Either they were afraid of political backlash, or they are keeping a stash of 1000-kr banknotes in storage in case of radical social unrest.

Sweden has reduced the value of it's banknotes in circulation (measured in SEK) by 45.4% since it's peak eight years ago. A run on the bank in Sweden will be almost impossible by the time the old 500SEK banknotes are declared invalid on 1 July 2017.

Norway seems content to slowly let it's 1000-kr banknote vanish, but is replacing the value with smaller denominations. Denmark, despite discussing getting rid of cash registers at most retail locations, is not making any attempt to reduce it's currency in circulation.

Iceland had an extremely small amount of currency in circulation more than 10 years ago (even less than Sweden has today), at fewer than 10 billion ISK in the 2001-2002 time frame. But after the banking crisis, they introduced a new high denomination banknote(10,000 ISK in 2013) and are back up to well over 54 billion ISK in circulation or over 1000€ per person.

At first it would seem that Iceland needed to circulate more banknotes to make up for the huge loss of value measured in Euro-equivalent, but in reality the cash in circulation only dropped from 2008-2009 (as measured in Euros). It seems once confidence is lost in banks it can't be regained for decades.


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Although it's true most Swedes don't use cash for most of their purchases, cash usage is still <pretty> high. I read on the Riksbank's webpage that just under 50% of all purchases are still done with cash in Sweden. I think Denmark's leading the trend of "Cashlessness", but I haven't got any data to prove that.


Sweden has 92.2 million 500SEK banknotes circulating, or about 10 per capita. That is not really much different in value than the US$20 which is circulating at 26.6 per capita. But Americans are much more free to use the $20 for purchases. But the big difference is that since almost all the 1000SEK banknotes have been destroyed, Swede's must also use the 500SEK for "store of value" purposes, while Americans use the $100 (or to a much lesser extent, the $50).

I don't know which country, Denmark or Sweden, is #1 in electronic transactions, but Denmark is still using currency as a "store of value" with 34 million 1000DKK banknotes in circulation for a country with much less population than Sweden. Some of the Danish banknotes may be held by currency speculators outside of Denmark, who are gambling that Denmark will not be able to maintain it's ERM-II exchange rate.

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02/08/2016 07:48 am
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I am not quite sure whether there is indeed an ''active'' policy to get rid of the 1000 kr notes in Sweden and Norway.
I think it has much more to do with the high use of credit, debit and bank cards in those countries. Apparently, the majority of people in both countries (plus Denmark) trust their banking system and being cashless.
Thus, there seems to be not that much demand for the highest denomination.

1000 SEK and 1000 NOK are both currently almost US-§ 120; and the 500 kr notes consequently almost $60. So the 500 kr notes are still quite useable as ''store of value.''
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Raw circulation numbers, not adjusted for population or exchange rates
Denmark 1000DKK | 2007:29.7 million to 2014:34.0 million notes
Norway 1000NOK | 2007:26.2 million to 2015:17.9 million notes
Sweden 1000SEK | 2006:42.0 million to 2016:1.23 million new notes, 2.70 million old notes


Every central bank in the world says they print currency to meet demand. To some extent that is a meaningless statement. There is always a demand for high denomination banknotes, but it is coming from parts of society that the government does not wish to service. That is a massive percentage drop in circulation of the 1000SEK banknote. It is now basically a curiosity.

As you said, the 500SEK banknote is worth about $60 so it still has a reasonable "store of value". But they have reduced the circulation of 500SEK banknotes from nearly 130 million in 2009 to about 92 million in 2016. All indications are that Sweden intends to reduce cash to an extremely small role in the financial infrastructure of the country. There is no stated policy, and Sweden's National Bank (unlike nearly all national banks) will not even reveal how many banknotes they print.

Danish society is just as hostile to cash transactions as Sweden, so must assume the large number of banknotes is being held by currency speculators, either domestic or foreign. I have been reading that currency speculators believe they can force Denmark to break their ERM-II agreement with the Euro Area. Not very many people could do that with Swedish banknotes. There just aren't enough of them to have a meaningful "store of value".

Currently all denomination banknotes are worth 61.440SEK billion or @8.37 SEK = $7.34 billion or 10 million population $734 per capita. The USA is circulating $626 in $1-$20 banknotes per capita.

The USA printed 6 billion of the color Series 2009A $100 banknotes, and they are currently circulating 10.8 billion of all series of $100 banknotes.

The exploding use of electronic money transfers in Sweden is not exactly news. There are a steady stream of news articles about it in the USA. But the news stories are often interchangeable with the move in Denmark to do away with cash registers in stores and gasoline stations.

But there is a difference. Denmark seems interested in reducing cash transactions, but not in doing away with cash itself. While cash circulation in Denmark is still below Switzerland or the Euro area, it is on par with United Kingdom. Sweden is approaching Mexico levels.

Iceland is the only developed nation that had cash levels far below Sweden's current levels. When the Euro banknotes were introduced Iceland had 9.174 billion ISK in banknotes and coins. At 87.277 ISK/EURO and 285,000 (population end of 2001) that is 369€ per person. After all the banks crashed, today Iceland has 53.872 billion ISK which at 141.67 ISK/EURO and a population of 323,000 is 1177€ per person.

Trust in banks may have a lot more to do with booming real estate values. There is a tendency to think of your bank account as more to do with day to day transactions in an asset bubble.

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Let me ask a hypothetical question. The Riksbank has reduced circulation of the 500SEK from a high of 130 million to 92 million banknotes. The 1000SEK may stay in the 2-3 million note circulation range. If the bank heads toward a position of circulating 30-40 million notes of both the 200SEK and 500SEK denomination, then do you:

(1) Not care since you do everything with SWISH and credit cards
(2) Complain to a politician
(3) Begin using the €50 = 474 SEK banknote for anyone who will accept it.

Note: The €50 banknote is by by far the most common banknote in the Euro Zone. It represents 45% of the banknote supply and 38% of the Euro cash by value. People do use foreign banknotes for various reasons.
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Lowering circulation amounts of the 500 SEK notes wouldn't make too much of a difference wth the new 200 SEK note coming along. Sure, it's the highest commonly circulating denomination which is still very common but in everyday commerce the 200 would mkae up for the decrease 500 SEK notes. I wouldn't do either of the three alternatives, I pay using cash most of the time, complaining to a politician wouldn't have any effect (most people don't care about cash anyway so why bring it up?) and although the Euro is surprisingly widely accepted, it would cause a lot of problems when people don't accept it. Best would be to sell it at an exchange office.

I haven't heard anything form the Riksbank about wanting to eliminate the 1000 SEK note, but they don't seem to care too much either. A large newspaper did ask them where all of those notes had gone and they simply answered "We don't know". Another issue would simply be the demand of the denomination. As evident with the high-denomination Euro notes, most were produced early on when they were introduced, but since demand has been low new ones haven't been needed, and thus the circulating amount slowly fades untill a new production run is made. I also think that this demand is what's bringing the production figured down to the demand of today. I think the best reason why the 1000 SEK note isn't common is that its not actually dispensed by ATMs, the most common way to acquire cash today. Most cash-containing bank offices have the 1000 SEK in stock, but almost no one goes to the bank to withdraw cash these days, mostly because they only need lower amounts that can be acquired more conveniently from ATMs. How is the US$100 being distributed since it's so common?
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Circulation of 1000-kr banknotes in millions of notes
Year : Nor : Swe
2005 : 24.6 : 45.3
2006 : 25.8 : 42.1
2007 : 26.2 : 38.6
2008 : 25.4 : 34.3
2009 : 24.4 : 31.4
2010 : 23.1 : 28.6
2011 : 21.7 : 25.1
2012 : 21.2 : 21.4
2013 : 19.8 : 9.7
2014 : 18.7 : 6.2
2015 : 17.9 : 4.2
Sweden's current supply as of end of January
1.228 million new
2.697 million old design (invalid as of June 2016)

Sweden has no stated policy of eliminating the 1000SEK denomination. They have simply reduced it's circulation to incredibly low numbers

Norway has not produced a 1000NOK banknote since 2005, but they are producing 41.5NOK billion banknotes in smaller denominations on average for the last decade. So even though the larger denomination banknotes are dropping in number, the total currency supply either goes up or remains the same. In the last 8 years, the total value of Norwegian banknotes have decreased by 0.55%.

In the last 8 years, the total value of valid Swedish banknotes have decreased by 42.22%.
It is not clear if Sweden intends to continue to decrease the currency supply, or if they will replace every two 500SEK banknotes with five 200SEK banknotes. I suspect they are trying to make the currency supply as small as possible.

Americans can get $100 banknotes at any bank teller or in a casino. There are also a handful of ATMs that dispense the $100 banknote. The overwhelming majority of ATMs dispense only $20 banknotes. But the majority of Americans don't use the $100 bill. Many others only use them in an unusual situations (buying and selling cars or furniture). I think that most Americans would be shocked that the government is circulating almost as many $100 banknotes (10.8 billion) as they are circulating $1 banknotes ( 11.4 billion). Now most of the $100 banknotes are circulating in foreign countries.

Currently Sweden is circulating 61SEK billion in valid banknotes, while Norway is circulating 46NOK billion in banknotes (plus about 1.76 billion in 20NOK coin). Obviously Sweden has a much larger population than Norway. The Swedish circulation is the lowest amount in the EU (per capita using current exchange rate), as Sweden has just dropped lower than Bulgaria.

Obviously Swedes do not fear banks.

People do not NEED the number of banknotes they have. For example the Euro countries had 380 billion EURO banknotes in the year 2000, but by the end of 2001 they reduced that amount to 270 billion EUROS. Many businesses (in particular antiques) had a banner year as people struggled to convert banknotes into tangible assets that would retain value so they didn't have to answer tax questions.

Now within 18 months the Euro banknotes in circulation were back up to 380 billion. At the end of 2014 they passed one trillion Euros.




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