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I just purchased this key-date raw from ebay. I just received it and something does not seem right. The weight is good, though again something does not feel right. Maybe I am wrong, though any help would be appreciated. Did I buy a fake?   Edited by rum_n_cola
10/04/2015 3:40 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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We need better photos the obverse looks wrong in my opinion. Zoom in on the reverse to where a mintmark would be to see if there is any remnants of an o or s
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Thank you for your reply. This is my back up camera and unfortunately the zoom is not that good. I looked at it close and not not see any tampering with area where mint-mark would be. I looked at PCGS graded examples and it appears the 4 may not be in correct spot, as it relates to the denticles. Either it is real or it is a good fake.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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The date position is wrong. Return it straight away.
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United States
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Thank you for confirming. The seller does not offer returns, though thank goodness for ebay buy protection. Will have them step in and refund the money. Thanks again! |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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And her eye is too small, her lips are off, and LIBERTY is just wrong. LIBERTY does not match the wear on the rest of the coin and it does not match the font nor the exact positioning.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I compare this coin to images of 1894 Morgans online (reputable sources), I don't see any differences. Date, eye, etc. I am not a Morgan dollar expert. Google, images, 1894 Morgan silver dollar. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Aside from being possibly cleaned, I see nothing wrong here.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Here are the date comparisons, authentic 1894 VAM 3 (only business strike)  Here is the OP coin  Clearly the date position differs when looking at the lower base of the "1" Edited by dave700x
10/05/2015 12:52 pm
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Do NOT buy this coin raw in the future. Too many fakes these days to take any chances.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I stand corrected. Nice work.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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Wow, a picture is worth a thousand words. Dave's photos are a stark reality.
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The proof is in the pics. Thanks!
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What did you pay for it? There are no secrets on ebay. Thousands of people may have looked at that coin. If you got an incredible deal on a rare coin on ebay something is usually wrong with it. That is my opinion. What I have seen lately with Morgans on ebay is they are asking retail plus for even common coins. You could do better at your LCS. In fact, I do better at my LCS because I trust the guy and he does give me a discount on his mark-up because I know he pays about 30-50 cents on the dollar or less for the coins he buys. I see elderly guys cashing in their collections every time I go there to buy coins. |
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A cleaned counterfeit 1894 P Morgan dollar?  Must be an older counterfeit. |
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The date is what alerted me to it possibly being fake. I weighed the coin and it was 26.5 which is not outside what a Morgan could weigh with some wear. It even has the sound of silver when you let it gently vibrate on the table. It is a good fake, though like 99% of them they are not correct to the original. I paid $500 for the coin. I told the seller that it was fake and he apologized and offered a full money back return. The problem is not myself as I know to check all key-date coins, especially on ebay. The problem is with the other key-date coins that he has sold. I clicked on his name and looked under his sold items and you can see an 1889-CC he sold for $250, among other coins. The most concerning thing is, they all have similar wear to my coin, just around the edges. I think most of the coins he is selling are decent fakes. The seller may or may not know, though he is selling them and buyers are leaving positive feedback. That is the only reason I made the buy, though guess I learned a lesson here. Again, thank you all for your help! Edited by rum_n_cola
10/06/2015 1:29 pm
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