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Pair Of Black Beauty Jefferson's

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I posted one of these in the grading section, just to see
if any one would guess what they were.

I have put a few of these away over the years. Recently I
sent two off to ANACS to see if what I was keeping were
really Black Beauty nickels.

I am pretty happy with the results.


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Very Nice ,but black beauties are not that rare, I have a roll or two of 1959 P's
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Cool. What years are known to have black beauties? I keep all black-toned nickels I encounter to go through at some point.

I think I know the answer to this but is this how they would have looked when leaving the mint in '55 / '58 or does the improper alloy oxidize/tone over time?
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Cool. I have a '59 in an ANACS holder - MS65 is a nice grade.
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Congrats on 2 MS65 black beauties, that's impressive. I wonder what is the top pop on the top 3 TPG.
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I never said they were rare.

But there are a lot of collectors that don't know about them.

And they are some collectors that might think they have some,
that are really just toned or got dark after leaving the mint.

These seem to sell a lot better, if they are in a slab.

The 1958 here, I pulled right from a 1958 mint set. All the other
coins were bright, no problem coins.

I have a few more, I sent these two in, to make sure what I was
seeing were really Black Beauty nickels.
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Congrats on 2 MS65 black beauties, that's impressive. I wonder what is the top pop on the top 3 TPG.


I would like to know the answer to that also.

I don't remember seeing any high grade ones.

Seems like I have heard of there being proof ones.
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Cool. I have a '59 in an ANACS holder - MS65 is a nice grade
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Cool ... feel free to post any slabbed pictures if you have them.

It seems these have evolved as far as what caused these coins
to be darker. There is a improperly annealed error and a
improper alloy mix. I have seen ANACS slabs with both labels.

Going by memory, I think I have read that Improper alloy mix had silica or to much silica mixed in, that caused them to turn dark. If I am wrong on this .. I am sure a expert
will correct it.

I also seem to remember reading that these occurred more often
in the mid to late 50's, with some into the 60's.

For me these are a part of me having a complete Jefferson
set. I still need some of the early reverse change nickels,
or at least have them identified in my collection.

And of course the No "S" proof nickel.
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Thanks Cascade

That is a good write up (link)
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Jefferson nickels don't get the respect they deserve, IMHO. Black beauties are a case I've heard some conflicting information in the forum. For example, I heard from one member that to be considered BBs they had to be 55's. Now I'm seeing that isn't the case. I also didn't realize there was more than one chemical path/process to end up with a BB. Should the annealed-type specimens be considered true BBs or something else?

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Should the annealed-type specimens be considered true BBs or something else?


I have seen them both labeled Black Beauty

Here is a link to one

http://www.collectorsalliance.com/1..._p/20341.htm

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The slab label is wrong in that this is not an "improper alloy mix" error. It's an improper annealing error. Excess heat or prolonged exposure to heat in the annealing drum causes copper atoms to migrate to the surface. This can produce colors ranging from black to gray to brown to bright copper.
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