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1909-VDB Cent. Matte Proof?

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Is this a matte proof?

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I am not an expert on early LWC matte proofs, but I think all the diagnostics are there. The rim is rather wire and square, the surface is slightly rough and it exhibits colorful toning. I heard that these coins were stored in supposedly tarnish-resistant envelopes when they were distributed so many matte proofs nowadays have colorful toning.
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"Matte proof Lincoln cents were packaged in "tarnish proof" tissue paper. This tissue paper had a
high sulfur content and did little to prevent tarnish. In fact, the tissue paper over time often created
interesting toning. Matte proof Lincoln's can have a wide range of rainbow colors. This toning often
adds to a coins appeal; the more vivid the toning the better. "


--http://www.lincolncentresource.com/Matte_Proofs.html

This obviously does not imply that colorful toning --> matte proof.

However, we can see that the evidence is consistent with our hypothesis.
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I didn't know that. Thank you for the information.

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Well, I am no expert on these so I can only say I really hope it is. Over 5500 already? Mind blow!
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Obverse:
Heavy die scratch from left bottom of N of IN to center of N.
Several vertical die scratches above IN GOD.
Several small die scratches between GO of GOD.
Several small die scratches in field below second T of TRUST.
Heavy die scratch from left bottom of T of LIBERTY through the R.


Outside edges of the rims are too rounded for a proof. The fields do not have the sandblasted "matte" look.

When you have in hand........please post some pictures of the rims from the edge.
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Quote:
The fields do not have the sandblasted "matte" look.


I would disagree.
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SSK, did you already buy the coin?

If it is a matte proof, great buy.
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I don't know about the proof, but I want the coin!
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Quote:
SSK, did you already buy the coin?


Yes. Dropped 40 on it. Hopping it is worth a lot more than that.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/30178618341...RK:MEBIDX:IT
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The rims may be a little too rounded. Apparently matte proof Lincolns almost all have rim fins. It could be that this is just a weakly struck proof.
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That's a toughy. I can tell you the color doesn't look 100% original. It looks like it was cleaned and then retoned over a length of time. Best bet would be to get it in hand and the Matte proofs have die diagnostics you can look for.
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SSK , I don't know ,there is something about this coin that's not kosher . Matte proof or not the strike is stunning . how come you were the ONLY bidder on this .
If the coin is least MS-66 circ. strike your looking at $500 . If the coin is PF-63RB Your looking at $5000 .
NOW ; If you only paid $40 ,AND WAS THE ONLY BIDDER.
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It doesn't look like a matte proof. Not to burst any bubbles but it has a cleaned and re-colored appearance so $40 might have been a stretch. I could be wrong about the problems but nothing about that coin says proof.

P.S. Here's a genuine matte proof for reference:
1909-VDB-Cent.-Matte-Proof?
ANA #R3154474
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Not a matte proof, just a well struck VDB. I have a few that look matte as well, they are fairly common and this question comes up over and over and over here and elsewhere.
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Here is the difference on the rims:
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I agree that this is not a matte proof. But a coin to be proud of in any collection.
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The surfaces to me were the clue on the OP's coin.
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