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1925 - 5 Cent - Over Graded And Overpaid? - You Vs. PCGS

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 Posted 11/18/2015  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like EF40 is right where it belongs on the PCGS scale. ha.com doesn't have a ton of images, but subject coin is clearly much better than the VF20/30 examples and appears to me only marginally more worn than an NGC XF45. PCGS has graded 33 at EF40, 349 total for 1925, and 2,311 George V nickels.

purelywasted, I recall seeing a 1931 on ha.com, MS65 I think, where weak strike was noted in the description. You could really see it in the interior of the maple leaf on the reverse. This one: http://coins.ha.com/itm/canada/worl...nail-071515. Frankly I don't know how you'd be able to tell below AU, or how "weak strike" might vary from one year to the next. Let us know what you find.
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Thanks for the link to HA, will be checking it out later
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 Posted 11/18/2015  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It comes down again to the US vs. Canadian grading standards being different.



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Every one of those US TPG ARE over graded . I agree with the ICCS EF 40 coin. The US ones in order top to bottom Fine 15, VF 20, then the ICCS , then VF 30, EF 40, last one needs a better pix but appears EF. Just my thoughts.


Biting my tongue a bit on this one, but it basically comes down to the standards being different. I know I personally would rather have an AU50 PCGS graded piece that's problem free than a piece graded by a Canadian company that's been cleaned and has nicer details but has instead been net graded down to an XF40, with no mention of any problems...

To the original question posed, I don't have a problem with that piece as an XF40, and I think you got a good buy on it
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how about this one for a weak strike?

http://coins.ha.com/itm/canada/cana...008-20079.s?
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I looked at a few of these from that auction and there're a lot I feel are grossly over graded. Most of these have a weak strike so how can they come up with such lofty grades.

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That is a good question Bill, from the PCGS definition.

MS/PR-66 Few minor marks/hairlines not in focal areas, good strike

It did not look like what I visualize as a "good strike"
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Here's what Charlton has to say on the series.

1925---5-Cent---Over-Graded-And-Overpaid?---You-Vs.-PCGS

SPP, that 1930 "obverse is a trifle weak" - ha! Just a trifle. Zoom in and the die crack through IND IMP all the way around the shoulder into GEO, and also through DEI, is pretty cool.

I love researching these George V nickels for some reason. The difficulty in grading, strike problems, condition rarity, etc. Check out this 1931 MS67 recently sold for $21,150. Even this spectacular coin is weak inside the left maple leaf. http://coins.ha.com/itm/canada/worl...bnail-071515

I know I'm digressing from original topic, sorry.
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 Posted 11/19/2015  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I need to look up the definition of "trifle."
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In reply to the coin that SPP pointed out in his last post. The 1930 graded at MS66 I just don't see it any better then MS62 if that.
It was minted with a very tired obverse die that was just to worn to give MS66 strike. Just my opinion.

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Here's a 1925 ANACS AU50 up for auction, for grading comparison. http://coins.ha.com/itm/canada/worl...nail-071515.
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Those last ones look kind of rough for AU 55.


I'll add 2 25's and a 26 of mine for grading in this Grading Forum..

Weak strikes..full strikes..who knows ..?..

Let the expert 5 cent guys speak.. (maybe Mikey's 2 c also....?)

The 2nd set of beads are still there on mine though..

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