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Mark Twain Commemorative Coin Designs Unveiled

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 Posted 01/10/2016  02:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So the launch of the silver Twain coins will be delayed. An earlier version of the article below said January 27th is the new date, but the article has since been revised to say TBD. Also it currently says "TBD" on the U.S. Mint product schedule for these issues.

http://mintnewsblog.com/2016/01/201...ins-delayed/
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Hmm. "They want enough on hand" so I'm guessing it's gonna be a healthy mintage. Plus it's 90% what happened to 999? I guess they're using ASE planchets on these
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Plus it's 90% what happened to 999? I guess they're using ASE planchets on these

1. 0.900 vs. 0.999: The law authorizing the potential switch over was signed December 4, 2015. The Mint has not had enough time to implement the changeover. In fact, it has been striking some 2016 collector coins on 90% planchets for a few months already. While some silver coins may make use of 0.999 planchets this year, my guess is most of the switch will take place with 2017-dated coins.*

2. ASE Planchets: US silver dollar commemoratives are a different size and weight vs. ASEs - they don't/can't share the same planchet. SDs are 38.1 mm in diameter vs. 40.6 mm for ASEs and weigh 26.73 grams vs. 31.103 grams for ASEs.


* It would make for fun varieties, however, if a mix of planchets were used this year. I wonder if the Mint would add some sort of distinguishing mark to the coins struck on the new 0.999 planchets? I would think they would have to in order for collectors to quickly distinguish between the versions.


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Thanks commems. I was thinking of the c&c medals in regards to ASE planchets. And yes, I too am wondering how many off metal errors due to the switchover we might see pop up
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I too am wondering how many off metal errors due to the switchover we might see pop up

Without sophisticated technology (or some sort of distinguishing mark on the coins themselves as commems suggests), how would one tell?


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...my guess is most of the switch will take place with 2017-dated coins.

Likewise. Some folks have lamented (or wished for) having two silver sets to collect in 2016, but I see that as only a remote possibility. Who knows though. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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What's with the Twain silver dollars? First they were supposed to appear with the gold coins this week on the 14th. Then last week a communique from the Mint pushing them back to the 27th ostensibly to "build inventory." Now without warning this weekend, the 27th turned into "TBD". I wonder what the true story about the delay really is. Sounds like we've been handed another red herring fishy story from the Mint?
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Bizy, I know what the red herring phrase means but how are you applying it to this situation?
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That the Mint is selling us a bogus story about the silver dollars. Something smells fishy about the story that was passed out, so in both senses of the phrase.
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They will come out with another update soon and blame it on the package from China that has not been completed yet due to their economy crashing......just being facetious here.
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Also, I noticed the Mint doesn't have a product page or list the planned Twain two-coin proof set.

I wonder if the delay has caused the Mint to scrap the set or create a stockpile of gold Twains for a delayed proof set.
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Was there ever a 2-coin set announced? I can't find any mention of it.
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Got something in the mail today about special pre-order pricing. $5 of the silver and ** off the gold.

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I'm sorry but the Twain silver $1 is an absolute circus. The obverse looks like it came out of the Sunday comics, and the reverse, with all this imagery from his books, just too cluttered for my taste. The gold is an elegant looking coin!

I feel the Mint has certainly had some classy looking $1 Silver commems, like the 2012 Star-Spangled Banner, the 2009 Lincoln, 2006 Ben Franklin Scientist come to mind. This Twain $1 is just not classy - the design is down right cheesy looking!

How about a conversation on the artistic merits and pitfalls of the Mint's commemorative programs of late?
Here is an article that may be of interest on this topic:
http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis...icleId=11204


"...The quality of designs remains embarrassingly low, both in the often amateurish character of the artwork and in the generally poor compositions," CFA secretary Tom Luebke wrote on behalf of the commission.

The coins and medals should distill the subject to its essence, Luebke wrote, "rather than present a confusing collage of multiple elements."
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Hello, one_fine_dime and to CCF!

I very much agree with you that the gold $5 Twain coin is an elegant coin and I will very likely buy that one. I love the riverboat and Clemens' likeness.

I also agree that the silver Twain coin is busy and would like to have seen a simpler design but I also understand where the designers/artists were coming from. How do you distill someone as complex as Clemens into anything simpler than that? If I had my way, Halley's Comet and Tom Sawyer's cave would have been part of the design.

Besides, I happen to think that, while busy, the silver design captures the fun and whimsy of Twain's books.


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"...The quality of designs remains embarrassingly low, both in the often amateurish character of the artwork and in the generally poor compositions," CFA secretary Tom Luebke wrote on behalf of the commission.

To each their own, I suppose, and perhaps I'm on board with this sentiment for some of the recent silver and half designs. But I wonder if Luebke saw the gold $5 US Marshals. That's a truly outstanding coin and deserves recognition if not a standing ovation.
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The mystery of the delayed Twain silver dollar coins is solved, my dear friends!

It appears the certificates of authenticity (COAs) for each coin had a glaring error: Jim and Huck were noted as being from Adventures of Tom Sawyer when they are really from Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.

The error was noticed late into production, so the Mint will have to produce new COAs for the effected coins.

Still no word on a new release date. If I hear anything, I'll let you all know.
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