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this coin came up in a search on icollector, it was advertised and sold as an 1858 even though it is an obverse brockage so it cant be advertised as a certain year when it is a 2 year type. the fact that it was sold as an 1858 made me mad, the fact that it is easily provable as an 1859 strike infuriates me! the coin I'm talking about http://www.icollector.com/1-CENT-1858_i19827594proof that it is an 1859 http://www.vickycents.com/obv-o5.htmlthe brockage is of one of the most easily identifiable 1859 obverse dies I know of, evidenced by the glaringly obvious die rust on the queens neck. this is just the beginning sadly, MANY errors sold on icollector are damage or fake and I have pointed this out before as well. Feel free to call me Will.
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 1859; too many markers not to be |
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The bidding was wicked that night, it was a beauty 58 or 59 in hand, but its good to clear it up
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Yikes! That's a real beauty! I would love to get my hands on that one!  |
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Might be easy for a Haxby die tracker to identify it, but I guarantee you, it would take more than that to convince PCGS that it is an 1859 and not a 1858. They should have called it an 1858-59 strike.
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SPP-Ottawa said: Quote:
Might be easy for a Haxby die tracker to identify it, but I guarantee you, it would take more than that to convince PCGS that it is an 1859 and not a 1858. They should have called it an 1858-59 strike. with SPP. I'm not necessarily a Haxby die tracker but have studied enough to research these. As for PCGS I don't know their staff level expertise so can't comment. Should have been listed as an 1858-1859 strike and would have kept confusion to a minimum; of course it probably would have kept the price down somewhat also. |
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At the preview I asked Mr. Moore how PCGS could tell what year this coin was, he agreed that a dual year would have been more accurate and that an American expert in large cents would for sure know as many of you are also experts on these dies, but the coin is beautiful, if the bidding continued the floor bidder was not going to stop that day.
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John100 said Quote:
At the preview I asked Mr. Moore how PCGS could tell what year this coin was, he agreed that a dual year would have been more accurate and that an American expert in Large Cents would for sure know as many of you are also experts on these dies, but the coin is beautiful, if the bidding continued the floor bidder was not going to stop that day. So, my suspicion was correct, there was doubt thus listing as an 1858 made it "more valuable", shame on them for that. As for the floor bidder, if he had 'full disclosure' regarding the date perhaps his bidding would have been different. Well, as they say it's water under the bridge now. |
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That floor bidder would have bid till he won as he did on most items he was bidding on that night, everything from rare dates, currency, errors, the whole gammit price didn't seem to matter
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John100 wrote: Quote:
That floor bidder would have bid till he won as he did on most items he was bidding on that night, everything from rare dates, currency, errors, the whole gammit price didn't seem to matter Oh well, we have all probably been to auctions like that.
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I thought the starting bid price was high on this coin, but what do I know
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"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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He bid a couple times if my memory is correct on your coin and moved on, kind of luck of the draw.
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Chances are he bid a lot more aggressively on the very next lot... (brockage nickel dollar) - I pushed that one hard, but let go once it crossed $5K...
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Remember that in all of this there were at least 2 very interested people bidding on it..
Special coins usually go for big money,..
.. and the winner is still a very happy camper..
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Yes he did end up getting the nickel dollar, he was in a buying mood that day and next day too!
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