1972 DDO "1972 1¢ WDDO-007 Stage A" Match?

Sandy, you've done a lot of work on this so you must feel strongly this coin it worth "prooving". Rackster, I'm not so sure '72's MDD is responsible for all we are presented with here. There are many die chip indicators and scratches on the candidate cent that I find it hard to believe would make it all the way from master die or master hub down to the particular set of dies that struck this coin. Isn't that the reason small die details are included in a diagnostic series? I'm not an expert, of course, so I'd love to see Daughtrey or Cooper rule on this one.

I think your coin is a combo of master die doubling and a beat up coin. When you look at the comparisons you show, the doubling has to match EXACTLY, not just kinda. Look at the closeup of the word IN. Where on your coin is the doubling on the I. You can see what appears to be some form of doubling on the diagonal part of the N, but where is it on the two uprights? Now look at the closeup on the word TRUST. Where is the doubling on your coin for the R. The doubling you point to on the U is on the wrong side of the letter. With varieties there is no such thing as kinda. It either is or it isn't.

Thank you for your great responses.

I have already fallen victim to 3 Master Die's on my 1972 coins. 2 are in beautiful condition and which I came across at the beginning of my journey with coins. So I know a tiny bit more & have a bit more experience on taking the pictures and most importantly how to look up and try to match the die markers. Now this may may another MD, but if it is, then so be it. It is good training and learning for me if you don't helping me still.

I think will re-visit the 2 previously mentioned coins and make a new post on them (if I am allowed to do so- let me know).

I have so many pictures and like mentioned I was getting confused on which die markers went with each stage.

I do have some PMD, notably on the G and U which hindered my markings but I do have the R indicated (I guess I forgot to post it) as well has having the same letters showing each angel with lighting. I just didn't want to put up 2 or 3 pictures of the same letters. I thought this might be a good start for me in asking for help and more direction in pictures to supply to you all. I was trying to match my pictures and markers to the Wexler page pictures to make it easier for me and well as you all.


I did check out the MD page that you sent me Rackster at the start of my process last night - in particular the "U" but I wanted to take it further to see what die marker matches I did have because the MD shouldn't have all of the die markers (right?) just as Biedercoins metnioned.

I am still so new to this, but I know I need to learn so many of the little indicators if I am ever to learn how do this properly.

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Just as you mentioned it either is or isn't.

So it here a couple more pictures of the areas you mentioned in your reply.

Thanks again.

Sean, I did the same thing! Got a doubled die coin in my hand - a '72 at that- It stopped the ghosts I'd been chasing (mostly) of starting out with a page in a book, then going out and trying to find it in a roll or the wild. The natural way of finding an obviously doubled coin, then trying to prove myself wrong is so less stressful.

Of the 18 listed on coppercoins, there is only one (012) that might be a Master Die Doubling on the devices. Nothing confirmed on that though. Just going by the image of the "IN" that makes we wonder on this one:
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=eds
So if it has master die doubling, it is probably not one of the listed ones. Remember this master die doubling can be found on all three mints in a larger percentage.

And a mentioned, the hub doubling must be an exact match to match a listed die. Even the slightest variance (except for die wear) will disqualify it from the attributed die.