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1884-O/O With O Filled In Showing Horizontal Die Lines. VAM?

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If anyone knows what VAM this is I can't seem to find any other like it. Thanks

1884-O/O-With-O-Filled-In-Showing-Horizontal-Die-Lines.-VAM?

1884-O/O-With-O-Filled-In-Showing-Horizontal-Die-Lines.-VAM?

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 Posted 01/04/2016  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think what we're seeing is in the die. It appears to be Machine Doubling.
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I'd remark that you can see a similar doubling on the inside of the nearby "O" in the legend, but not especially elsewhere insofar as other adjacent devices are concerned.

Repunched mintmarks are, of course, common with this issue, and the opening being filled nearly flush has been previously documented. I'd judge if this is in fact due to a reworked die, those crisp striae suggest this one was a pretty early strike, but that'd not necessarily constitute a "new" VAM.

It's an interesting specimen regardless of the cause for the anamolies.
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I seem to remember reading from the VW site, the filled mm, far date is considered VAM 5. Your coin also has Strike Doubling. You can type in a search on their message board for "filled o" to find related messages.
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Is that a crack or scratch across the top of the mint mark?
You take great photographs by the way. One of the date might help, sometimes the numbers have unique features. Part of the difficulty with VAM identification is that not all VAM pages are as complete as we might like.
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VAM 5 with Strike Doubling on the mint mark (and also DO of DOLLAR).

There are a few die other die pairs considered to be VAM 5. They will be enumerated more precisely once someone undertakes a die study for 84-O.
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Is this a candidate for the Broken Mint Marks set?
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Here's some pictures of the date and the O and L in DOLLAR seem to have the same doubling.

1884-O/O-With-O-Filled-In-Showing-Horizontal-Die-Lines.-VAM?

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Those pictures are freakin awesome. May I ask what your setup is?
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Would this date position be considered normal?
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I dunno dave. Looks like it could be far without checkling vw. I hate how ambiguous date position classifications can be
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I would defiitly call that a normal date (though official classifications can vary from actual measurements.)
But I still think the crack throught mint mark should give it consideration to the Broken Branch List.
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But I still think the crack throught mint mark should give it consideration to the Broken Branch List.


I agree. The bottom photo shows the die crack extending into the O of dollar even.
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I was wondering whether or not that was a crack through the MM too. Date sure does look normal, but is pushing far and may have a slight slant also. Without a doubt Machine Doubling on the lower reverse.
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Showed Randy Campbell from ICG at the F.U.N. show last week...Just Machine Doubling. Thanks everyone for your advice!
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