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Too Few Ag Modern Commem 50˘; And Thoughts On 2016 50˘

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I like (and purchase) many of the modern commemorative silver $1 issues, but continue to be disappointed that congress and the US Mint issue the 50˘ commems in clad. Does anyone know how we could mobilize the numismatic community and get them to start issuing silver 50˘ commems again!?

On another (but related) topic, anyone think the 2016 National Park 50˘ is a great design; and in particular, in comparison to the $1 silver?

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The depiction of the Yellowstone geyser on the $1 silver is very much a repeat from other designs - namely the 2010 America the Beautiful Quarter and the 1999 Yellowstone commemorative $1 silver. It is really sad they couldn't have chosen something really exciting, given all the design candidates.

http://mintnewsblog.com/2015/06/201...-candidates/

I personally really liked the Tiki statues at Pu'uhonua o Honaunau design.

I would likely have bought a few of the 50˘ coins in silver, but alas these will be offered only in the typical copper-nickel clad, like nearly all the modern commemorative half dollars.

commems - I saw your recent post looking at the percent cost of production for the 2016 gold commems. I guess we don't know the pricing yet, but I'd be really interested to see what the cost of production mark-up is for the clad halves, and if it is similar to the gold. Seems the cost of production should be the same whether they use gold, silver, or clad planchets, but I'm pretty sure it isn't.

In any event, how many other CCF modern commem collectors would buy more half dollar issues if they were silver?
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. continue to be disappointing that congress and the US Mint issue the 50˘ commems in clad. Does anyone know how we could mobilize the numismatic community and get them to start issuing silver 50˘ commems again!?

It's important to realize that the clad half dollars are meant to be a commemorative entry point for young collectors and/or those collectors on limited budgets. This is often manifested in the form of Young Collector Sets that feature the clad half dollar. By striking the coins on the same clad planchets as used for the Kennedy half dollar, cost efficiencies can be maximized.

While it's extremely likely that sales of the half dollar coins would go up if they were struck in silver due to older and/or more seasoned collectors flocking to them due to a "silver bias," I think the unavoidable cost increase would push the coin past the budget limit for many of the collectors that the Mint is trying to bring into the "commemorative fold." (As I write this, I fully acknowledge that the sales price of commemorative half dollars has risen in recent years. I have wondered if part of the cost increase is the fact that the Mint no longer strikes half dollars for circulation and therefore some of the previous cost efficiencies have been lost.)

Though I heartily enjoy the classic silver half dollars of the 1892-1954 era, I'm fine with the continuation of clad half dollars in the modern series. We need to entice as many new and/or young collectors as possible and if the lower point of entry for the clad half helps with this, I say continue on!


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The depiction of the Yellowstone geyser on the $1 silver is very much a repeat from other designs - namely the 2010 America the Beautiful Quarter and the 1999 Yellowstone commemorative $1 silver. It is really sad they couldn't have chosen something really exciting, given all the design candidates.

I agree that there is more to the National Park Service than 'Old Faithful' and that it would have been nice to have another scene depicted on the silver dollar. Personally, I liked the NPS-S-O-04 and NPS-S-O-05-A designs for the dollar's obverse. I think to spur sales, however, the NPS went with its most famous landmark - familiarity encourages purchases and US commemorative coins are all about raising money for their sponsor.

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Thanks for your thoughts commems. Yes, I can certainly appreciate that the clad halves allow younger and lower budget consumers to participate in the commemorative coin programs. I'll likely buy one next year or the year after on ebay or elsewhere when they are half the price or less of the cost from the US Mint (unless of course hardly anyone buys them in the first place and mintages are super low -- though I doubt this will happen).

I really like NPS-S-O-04, a great bold design for sure!
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It's important to realize that the clad half dollars are meant to be a commemorative entry point for young collectors...

Armed with that knowledge it's interesting that there are no clad halves for Twain since some of his most famous works are (or were) required reading in many United States schools.
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Even though I have never been a fan of a vast majority of the modern commemoratives I am pretty dissapointed with the 2016 National Park designs.

When I first heard that is what they were doing in 2016 I was like, excellent, here is an opportunity to put a really nice attractive 3 coin set together because the National Parks themselves have all the design inspiration they need to put on the coins. One of the reasons why I think I like a lot of the America The Beautiful coin designs because a lot of them really do showcase the beauty in the real life places they depict.

However, what we got I feel is just a mess. The reverse on the half-dollar is alright with the National Park shield, but the obverse we have two squished pictures cut in half in the middle of the coin. Who were these throngs of people who responded when asked what they would like to see on a coin depicting the national parks with, "Ooo, ooo, I want to see a kid finding a frog under a leaf! I'll spend money on that!"

Same thing with the silver dollar which in my opinion should definitely be the showcase of these sets. It's design is a mess. One side we have a dressed lady which is a little ambiguous to whether its a Native American woman or an artistic depiction of Lady Liberty and then the other side we have Old Faithful. Surely that gysure is a staple of the U.S. National Parks, but we couldn't make it look better than that? What am I looking at? A brush fire? A tree stump? A mushroom cloud? Again, who are these people that when asked the question what would you like to see on a coin commemorating the National Parks they responded, "Ooo, ooo, A dancing lady! We want a dancing lady on the National Park Coin!"

And I could rant on the gold coin design as well but you get my point I am not going to be sold on these and I think it's a shame. Big opportunity here for the mint and I don't think they really did their best on this one. I know nothing about the design process of these coins but I feel like there are decisions made on what needs to be depicted on each issue and then they send the ideas to the artists and designers to make them happen. I think it would probably be more fruitful if they just give a simple concept like "National Park Commemorative" to a group of artists and see what they come up with. I bet it would be more creative and eye appealing than these designs.
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I buy the silver dollar and clad half of each new commemorative series as they are issued (why stop now right?), even though the modern designs are usually pretty uninspiring when compared to the classic commemoratives.

I wasn't expecting to be too thrilled by the U.S. Marshals Service coins last year, because I was already familiar with the images/designs of the coins as advertised. However, once I had the coins in hand, the proof version of the dollar and the uncirculated version of the half dollar really impressed me.

The proof shield on the dollar seems to pop off the surface of the silver coins, while the well-balanced imagery on the half works perfectly with its cartwheel luster. In fact, I now believe the U.S. Marshals Service coins are the nicest commemoratives the US Mint has produced in many years.

Consequently, from now on, I shall withhold my opinion on new designs until I can see the actual coins.

(I'm also reconsidering my original decision not to buy the gold U.S. Marshal coin, but will wait until I can determine whether the proof or uncirculated version looks the best.)
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I know nothing about the design process.

I always think it's best to understand something before attacking it.


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I feel like there are decisions made on what needs to be depicted on each issue and then they send the ideas to the artists and designers to make them happen. I think it would probably be more fruitful if they just give a simple concept like "National Park Commemorative" to a group of artists and see what they come up with. I bet it would be more creative and eye appealing than these designs.

The Public Law authorizing the National Park Service coins did not specify what the coin designs were to be. It simply stated "The design of the coins minted.shall be emblematic of the 100th anniversary of the National Park Service." The PL went on to specify that the designs selected would be in consult with the National Parks Service, the National Parks Foundation and the Commission of Fine Arts; the proposed designs were to reviewed by the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee.

As a result, quite a number of designs were developed by "a group of artists" as suggested and then the designs were reviewed by the coin sponsors as well as additional artists and members of the numismatic community before final designs were selected. Also, the design review was conducted in a public forum.


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Just to put in perspective how much the silver dollar obverse is a total rehash of other recent coins:

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It is really embarrassing that this wasn't considered. The National Park system is so inspiring, like Elimist said, that there should have been practically no limit to the creativity possible in designing the obverse of this $1 silver. And what do they do, they rehash the same design from two other existing coins - as if 'old faithful' is the end all be all of the National Park system. Truly a low point for me in the commemorative coin program, particularly as I've been looking forward to this since the enacting legislation was passed.

I've embedded the $1 and 50˘ images in my original post. I definitely think the selected half dollar design should have gone on the silver $1.

I personally don't mind the kid exhibiting the spirit of exploration by peering under a fern to see a frog, I think it represents passing on a legacy for appreciating nature that the National Park system embodies.

A Coin News post from November had this to say about the $1 coin: "The silver dollar reverse depicts a Latina Folklórico dancer and the NPS logo, representing the multi-faceted cultural experience found in America's national parks." http://www.coinnews.net/2015/11/20/...ns-revealed/

The governing legislation says, "The design of the coins minted under this section shall be emblematic of the 100th anniversary of the National Park Service." I'm not seeing that at all with this Folklorico dancer, not in the least. I am all for multi-culturalism, but this design is most certainly NOT emblematic of the 100th anniversary of the NPS."

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